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Librem One – A growing bundle of ethical services

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Re: Librem One – A growing bundle of ethical services

#91

This is quite dishonest, they make it seem like they develop the apps themselves. But they don't and they give no credit to the actual original apps. Librem Chat = Riot.im Librem Social = Mastodon (specifically the Tusky app) Librem Mail = K9 Mail Librem Tunnel = OpenVPN

It's not dishonest to repurpose open source software for a hosted commercial product. It's kind of the whole point!

Re: Librem One – A growing bundle of ethical services

#92
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This is quite dishonest, they make it seem like they develop the apps themselves. But they don't and they give no credit to the actual original apps. Librem Chat = Riot.im Librem Social = Mastodon (specifically the Tusky app) Librem Mail = K9 Mail Librem Tunnel = OpenVPN

The VPN isn't a hosted service? Just the client software? A few others mention they are connected to subscription systems, such as the back-up service. So it seems to be more than just repackaged software, but software + service + support (the big barrier for most OS adoption - requiring the customer to set up and configure 6 different services). Either way, anything that gets people using more encrypted open-source…

A VPN can't be a hosted service because it needs to sit on the machine you're trying to protect.

Re: Librem One – A growing bundle of ethical services

#93

This is quite dishonest, they make it seem like they develop the apps themselves. But they don't and they give no credit to the actual original apps. Librem Chat = Riot.im Librem Social = Mastodon (specifically the Tusky app) Librem Mail = K9 Mail Librem Tunnel = OpenVPN

I wonder if they just took those apps and rebranded them or if they contacted those projects and asked for their permission (even if legally not required). I mean, I like what Librem does in general and I also think that marketing those apps as a uniform service (without distracting attributions) is definitely a pro for consumers, but if I would be one of the contributors to those projects I might be a bit pissed off…

The entire point of open source is that you don't need to ask for permission.

Re: Librem One – A growing bundle of ethical services

#94

This is quite dishonest, they make it seem like they develop the apps themselves. But they don't and they give no credit to the actual original apps. Librem Chat = Riot.im Librem Social = Mastodon (specifically the Tusky app) Librem Mail = K9 Mail Librem Tunnel = OpenVPN

This is something that I've noticed too. I really want to like this but they are claiming to charge people for apps that they don't own and are already free. If they said that they simply take care of all complicated hosting or simplified the process I'd be more optimistic about this.

They do say exactly that, and that's what you're paying for. If you'd like to host your own versions of those open source apps, you're more than welcome to.

Re: Librem One – A growing bundle of ethical services

#95

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This is something that I've noticed too. I really want to like this but they are claiming to charge people for apps that they don't own and are already free. If they said that they simply take care of all complicated hosting or simplified the process I'd be more optimistic about this.

> I really want to like this but they are claiming to charge people for apps that they don't own and are already free. Selling people collections of software (which you didn’t code yourself, you simply repackaged) on floppy disk or tape was an old-school practice in the Free Software world and generally considered perfectly fair.

Those were disks you installed and ran yourself. This is a hosted product that runs in a (not free) data center. It's perfectly legit to charge for the service of hosting an open source or free app.

Re: Librem One – A growing bundle of ethical services

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The VPN isn't a hosted service? Just the client software? A few others mention they are connected to subscription systems, such as the back-up service. So it seems to be more than just repackaged software, but software + service + support (the big barrier for most OS adoption - requiring the customer to set up and configure 6 different services). Either way, anything that gets people using more encrypted open-source…

A VPN can't be a hosted service because it needs to sit on the machine you're trying to protect.

I believe you are mixing up "hosting" an OpenVPN server and having a client on your machine to connect to it (ie, their branded OpenVPN-powered client).

From the page it's clear they are also providing hosted file and email servers via subscription in addition to the branded-clients. Which is why I asked specifically about VPN hosting.

Re: Librem One – A growing bundle of ethical services

#98

I like Librem, though I am a little concerned here. I prefer if hardware and services comes from different companies. Even well intentioned, it can be easy for a company to fall into vertical integration... Imagine a Librem 5 working best with their own service, and support for alternatives being a little weaker or less prioritized.

I mean that is a significant reason mobile development is fragmented. Some things have to be tailored for the device if you want any kind of mass appeal or reliability. I think it would be a huge mistake to NOT tailor a specific experience for a Linux phone since it would then be doomed to obscurity (more than just by fact of not being Android or IOS) like the million Linux desktop distributions that never "just get…

I agree with your second paragraph. The Librem 5 isn't just a "Linux phone", and Purism is trying to build an ecosystem with strong expectations of privacy and end-user control, which is something we don't have today.

If all you want is a "Linux phone", you could buy a PinePhone for $150 or work on porting postmarketOS to an Android phone. The Librem 5 clearly has higher ambitions and could prove to be a more mass-market product.

Re: Librem One – A growing bundle of ethical services

#99

This is quite dishonest, they make it seem like they develop the apps themselves. But they don't and they give no credit to the actual original apps. Librem Chat = Riot.im Librem Social = Mastodon (specifically the Tusky app) Librem Mail = K9 Mail Librem Tunnel = OpenVPN

I actually think it's great if there is commercial use of open source. That means they can reinvest development time into the projects, because their customers will depend on those projects. The alternative seems to be walled gardens. Other companies do similar things, such as Fastmail which develops the open source IMAP server Cyrus [1]. I've been a happy Fastmail customer for years. Cyrus is still free for anyone t…

I do hope they make some sort of official commitment to using parts of these funds to fund maintenance and development of the open source projects they are depending on, especially the smaller ones that need funding. They should earmark an official percentage, which could be subject to change in the future, but at least make it known.

Like 5% to Riot, 5% to Mastodon, 5% to K9.

Could also give to the GNOME Foundation, Linux Foundation, and OpenVPN, but I think those are pretty sustainable already.

I'd easily pay $10 a month for this if they make it clear they're going to give back to the open source projects included.

Re: Librem One – A growing bundle of ethical services

#100

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https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse/blob/master/docs/postg... has the details. Fwiw, we're addressing the sqlite issue by stopping servers from federating for now if they are on sqlite ( https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse/pull/5078 ). Sorry you got bitten by this.

It happens, guessing SQLite was default at one point or suggested by the install guide that was followed. Kinda surprised it has survived thus far, never really thought of SQLite as something for high volume, multi-user messaging. Gonna go try the migration guide here :P

SQLite is definitely not ideal for high volume and high transaction frequency. Postgres will be better at that. I have used it for quickly getting a single table database up that I can just dump into and then query through linearly afterwards. It is better than dumping to JSON or some other purely textual serialization.
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