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Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by elhudy »

bluntfang wrote: post #48
Pfhreak wrote: post #3

I've gone vegetarian, except for a single grass fed animal I bought from a local farmer. (I live in a city, it was easier than I thought it would be to connect with a farmer out in the rural part of my state.) The transition was way, way easier than I thought it was going to be. I didn't guilt myself when I made mistakes, just stopped eating meat unless I was sure the provenance of it was sustainable and free from cr…

>free from cruelty. Do you mind if I ask what your requirements for this are? At the end of the day, isn't ending life cruel, no matter the means?

Not sure what OPs requirements are, but mine are along these lines:

"If animals like free-range cows have lives that are not worth living, almost all wild animals could plausibly be thought to also have lives that are worse than non-existence. Nature is often romanticised as a well-balanced idyll, so this may seem counter-intuitive. But extreme forms of suffering like starvation, dehydration, or being eaten alive by a predator are much more common in wild animals than farm animals. Crocodiles and hyenas disembowel their prey before killing them[1]. In birds, diseases like avian salmonellosis produce excruciating symptoms in the final days of life, such as depression, shivering, loss of appetite, and just before death, blindness, incoordination, staggering, tremor and convulsions.[2] While a farmed animal like a free-range cow has to endure some confinement and a premature and potentially painful death (stunning sometimes fails), a wild animal may suffer comparable experiences, such as surviving a cold winter or having to fear predators, while additionally undergoing the aforementioned extreme suffering[3]."

-Thomas Sittler. "How Should Vegetarians Actually Live?"

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by dobs »

PerfectElement wrote: post #27

I've been vegan for 15 years, and I've tried all sorts of veggie burgers and mock meats available. Some of them are good, but pretty easy to tell they are not meat. When I first had the Beyond Burger last year (just plain with 2 thin slices of bread) it brought back a very strong memory of how meat used to taste. I wonder if most meat eaters would be able to tell it's not meat on a blind test. I'm curious to try the…

I'm a meat eater and my partner's a vegetarian.

A&W was our go-to fast food hamburger place even before beyond meat burgers as their veggie deluxe burger was already fairly good, though I'd still order a meat burger.

Now we both get the beyond meat burger and I honestly can't tell the difference between them and their standard meat patties. Granted, that's a lower bar than fresh ground beef coming off a barbecue, but still impressive.

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by Zigurd »

martythemaniak wrote: post #8

Not a vegetarian here, but I'm really excited about companies and products in this space. There's a lot of very poor quality meat out there that can easily be substituted by these products for cost, nutrition and environmental reasons. The way I describe the Impossible Burger to friends that haven't tried it is "If I invited you to a BBQ with decent store-brand frozen patties and randomly inserted Impossible patties,…

"Ethical cannibalism." Some med student is going to eat a surplus lab-grown kidney, and there you'll have it.

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by ousta »

PerfectElement wrote: post #27

I've been vegan for 15 years, and I've tried all sorts of veggie burgers and mock meats available. Some of them are good, but pretty easy to tell they are not meat. When I first had the Beyond Burger last year (just plain with 2 thin slices of bread) it brought back a very strong memory of how meat used to taste. I wonder if most meat eaters would be able to tell it's not meat on a blind test. I'm curious to try the…

tried the impossible burger. It is far from a good quality meat burger. probably near macdonalds quality.

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by goldcd »

slimsag wrote: post #51
UI_at_80x24 wrote: post #41

>Have committed to $22MM of protein I've never understood this convention and it always causes my brain to short-circuit when trying to read it. Is that $22 Million Monies, or $22 MegaMillions I'm assuming that the shorthand is supposed to be read as: $22 Million So then I spend the next 5 minutes stuck in a feedback loop of what the hell am I supposed to be thinking.

M is a stand-in for the Roman numeral Φ, or 'mille' which is the Latin word for 'thousand'. So MM is thousand thousand's, or million. The reason it was adopted in finance was because M means thousand, except in English where we adopted M to mean million. Of course metric units where M = million makes more sense today, though. It's a legacy thing that stuck around.

Well no it isn't..

MM would be 2 thousands - as in the representation of the year 2019 as MMXIX (2x1000 + 10 + (10-1))

Anyway, MM is clearly man-month or 2 digit month of the year when you stringify a date... we don't need more.

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by dragonwriter »

wavefunction wrote: post #72
slimsag wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

M is a stand-in for the Roman numeral Φ, or 'mille' which is the Latin word for 'thousand'. So MM is thousand thousand's, or million. The reason it was adopted in finance was because M means thousand, except in English where we adopted M to mean million. Of course metric units where M = million makes more sense today, though. It's a legacy thing that stuck around.

Greek numeral Phi ? I can't find a Roman use from quick searching, and the Greeks represented 500,000 with it.

It's not like exact, but the apostrophus form of Roman numerals used something like forward and backward C’s separated by a vertical bar for a thousand, in place of the conventional M, and this sometimes reduced to something that looked similar to a phi. But calling M a placeholder for that seems accurate, as M was the more common form (and there was also I with a horizontal bar over it, though that seems a later innovation.)

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by sumnole »

gamegoblin wrote: post #31

I am an omnivore, but deeply interested in meat substitutes. Before trying the burger by Impossible Foods, it was my opinion that the patty by Beyond Meat was definitely the best. I am a big burger consumer, and I tend to rank the various substitute burgers on a scale that indicates how satisfied I feel afterwards, and how accurate the imitation is. I felt like the Beyond Burger was 8/10 in terms of being as satisfyi…

I've had both and you hit the nail on the head describing internal texture. The beyond burger was beyond awful, the impossible burger was quite good, but neither compare to eg shake shack. It comes down to subjective taste of course. Personally if I want to reduce my meat consumption for the day I'd just opt for vegetarian friendly cuisine like Indian. It's been accommodated for a very long time in history, there are more vegetarians in India than anywhere in the world.

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by alangpierce »

chaostheory wrote: post #10
r00fus wrote: post #7

So I've had an Impossible burger (from my company cafeteria), but it was probably over-cooked. Does anyone know where I could taste-test a Beyond burger vs. Impossible burger? Definitely interested in this space as it's one of the surefire ways we reduce both energy and water, and I have family who are veggie and this makes it easier for me to connect with them.

Yeah, I think I overcooked my Impossible burger as well. It did smell and taste like meat. However it didn't smell or taste like a burger. It smelled and tasted just like Spam. I love Spam, but it's not a hamburger. I'm hoping that this is just due to cooking improperly.

Sounds like maybe you're referring to Beyond Burger, not Impossible Burger? Impossible Burger isn't available in grocery stores yet, and Beyond has sort of a spammy taste to it that Impossible doesn't have (from my perception).

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by rhn_mk1 »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #54
UI_at_80x24 wrote: post #41

>Have committed to $22MM of protein I've never understood this convention and it always causes my brain to short-circuit when trying to read it. Is that $22 Million Monies, or $22 MegaMillions I'm assuming that the shorthand is supposed to be read as: $22 Million So then I spend the next 5 minutes stuck in a feedback loop of what the hell am I supposed to be thinking.

It's a finance thing, and it doesn't make sense to continue using it, when you can use k = thousands, M = millions, B = billions, T = trillions, Q = quadrillions and remove all the ambiguity.

I think you meant k = 1000, M = 1000^2, G = 1000^3, T = 1000^4, P = 1000^5

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_prefix

Re: Beyond Meat S-1

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Post by city41 »

PerfectElement wrote: post #27

I've been vegan for 15 years, and I've tried all sorts of veggie burgers and mock meats available. Some of them are good, but pretty easy to tell they are not meat. When I first had the Beyond Burger last year (just plain with 2 thin slices of bread) it brought back a very strong memory of how meat used to taste. I wonder if most meat eaters would be able to tell it's not meat on a blind test. I'm curious to try the…

I am not vegetarian, but I like Beyond Meat and eat it pretty often, especially their sausage. But in my opinion it doesn't really taste or feel like meat at all. I'm OK with that, but if they really want to "fool" meat eaters, I think they have a ways to go.
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