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Tesla Shakes Up Model 3 Lineup

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Re: Tesla Shakes Up Model 3 Lineup

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Post by leesec »

kristianc wrote: post #52

Ah, another Tesla announcement that's backtracked after a couple of weeks. Purely as an outsider looking in it seems like there's a lot of caveat emptor about buying a Tesla: wait times seem apt to increase, models seem like they'll be arbitrarily subject to conditions, and random conditions seem to get attached about which models can and can't use chargers. There also seems a high likelihood of waiting a long time a…

>There also seems a high likelihood of waiting a long time and paying $2,500 deposit for something which never arrives.

Any examples of this? Pretty sure everything has arrived at some point, albeit a delay.

Re: Tesla Shakes Up Model 3 Lineup

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Post by philwelch »

pdq wrote: post #12

Per the new lease: "Please note, customers who choose leasing over owning will not have the option to purchase their car at the end of the lease, because with full autonomy coming in the future via an over-the-air software update, we plan to use those vehicles in the Tesla ride-hailing network." Elon once again promising fully autonomous vehicles in 3 years. Also, isn't this a rental? A lease normally has a residual,…

Tesla’s self-driving promises are reaching Theranos levels of sheer implausibility. The frustrating part is that they don’t need to make these absurd claims about self-driving; they already have a successful electric car business.

Re: Tesla Shakes Up Model 3 Lineup

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Post by speeq »

nrjames wrote: post #2

Here's the actual Tesla announcement: https://www.tesla.com/blog/update-our-vehicle-lineup "Given the popularity of the Standard Plus relative to the Standard, we have made the decision to simplify our production operations to better optimize cost, minimize complexity and streamline operations. As a result, Model 3 Standard will now be a software-limited version of the Standard Plus, and we are taking it off the onli…

Sounds familiar: https://techcrunch.com/2013/04/01/tesla-kills-the-entry-leve...

Re: Tesla Shakes Up Model 3 Lineup

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Post by hnhg »

njarboe wrote: post #76
_red wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have yet speak to any experienced embedded developer who actually thinks "full autonomy" is remotely possible in the near/mid term. The suggestions that it is possible, seems to come mainly from junior developers and snake-oil salesman. We don't even have "full autonomous" trains, planes, or trucks yet.

Would an auto-car that crashed at a rate 1/10th of humans be a successful "full autonomous" vehicle? You could save 30000 lives a year in the US by deploying such vehicles and probably more due to knock-on effects. But that would be about 10 auto-car deaths/per day. No way that works with the current media. Unfortunately, it seems many people are not going to accept auto-cars with less than airplane like safety level…

This is a strawman. We're talking about replicating all of the abilities of a driver in all of the conditions they're supposed to operate in with approximately the same kind of performance. When we get to that point, then we can consider your question.

[Quick edit: a good question here though is what kind of drivers test is sufficient for us to even begin considering autonomous vehicles? Is that even answered?]

Re: Tesla Shakes Up Model 3 Lineup

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Post by trickstra »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #54
FireBeyond wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Other than the "The car will be able to self-drive, coast to coast, this year" back in Jan/Feb, you mean?

It’s not unreasonable to heavily critique the fact that Tesla deadlines are blown repeatedly, and yet who among us has gone from 0 to 300k+ vehicles manufacturer and sold per year in 12 years and delivered an EV into an elliptical orbit with a privately developed heavy lift vehicle? Don’t say something is impossible while someone else is delivering, slowly and missed deadlines or not. @sbov (deleted reply while I was…

I think it's part of the strategy. These deadlines are eventually blown, but even then what we get in the end is pretty remarkable. I guess the hyper ambitious attitude actually attracts people who then make it work. Plus the obvious media buzz.

Re: Tesla Shakes Up Model 3 Lineup

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Post by legitster »

linuxftw wrote: post #78
legitster wrote: post #26

I get the strong impression that even as a loss leader, the $35,000 figure was based on some back of envelope calculations. We know that they have had to expand or increase the cost in several ways since they started production. I know they really want to make the Model T of electric cars, but it took about a decade of development for Ford to deliver one under $500. And I don't think Tesla has quite mastered the scie…

I believe it was an outright lie, an effort to solicit deposits and lure people into a bait-and-switch of higher priced models. All evidence to date suggests I'm right. Of course, they're never going to come out and say 'we fooled you' but I don't know what level of evidence people need before they reach the conclusion for themselves.

'Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence."

Re: Tesla Shakes Up Model 3 Lineup

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Post by philwelch »

metalliqaz wrote: post #42
mixmastamyk wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would love one with computers minimized and privacy as a first-class concern, just like Adama did in the newer Battlestar Galactica, haha. (I do like the feature where the car slows/stops when it encounters an obstacle directly ahead. As far as I know it shouldn't require machine-learning/privacy invasion, but it is harder and harder to get one without the other.)

Plug-in mod for Toyota Prius?

Toyota sells a plug-in Prius.

Re: Tesla Shakes Up Model 3 Lineup

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Post by Domenic_S »

mtgx wrote: post #9

Maybe if they hadn't included $5,000+ worth of (fake) "full self-driving" hardware by default into all Model 3s, they wouldn't have needed to do this, and maybe they would've been able to make the base Model 3 a little cheaper, too, which I'm sure would've positively impacted its popularity (I think a $29,900 base Model 3 would be far more popular than Standard Plus). I could understand all the other carmakers being…

> Maybe if they hadn't included $5,000+ worth of (fake) "full self-driving" hardware by default into all Model 3s

FSD hardware is known as "HW3" (now known as "FSD Computer") and is not in any Teslas at the moment.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1111788218142216192?ref_...

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