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Re: H-1B Employer Data Hub

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Post by int_19h »

captainredbeard wrote: post #72
int_19h wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a quirk of the American immigration system in general - it's tilted towards family migration more so than skilled migration, especially in contrast to pretty much all other developed countries.

Sounds like a quirk we should correct.

To any US citizen who is interested in fixing immigration - regardless of what they mean by it - I would recommend going to the official government websites for US and Canada that describe the various available paths, and just going through what's there for the immigrants. Pretend you want to try this or that out, they usually have stuff there like eligibility tests etc. It'll give you a much better picture - of the present, and the possibilities - than anything you'll ever see in mainstream American news on the subject.

https://my.uscis.gov/exploremyoptions

https://www.canada.ca/en/services/immigration-citizenship.ht...

Re: H-1B Employer Data Hub

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Post by jogjayr »

munk-a wrote: post #53
Tyrek wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like there's a misreading of the premise of the H-1B program here. If you'll refer to the USCIS website here [0], you'll note that the main prerequisites for the H-1B visa are a) Educated or Licensed b) Paid on par to American workers c) Not impacting the pay of American workers Upon review, it's apparent that the 'visa for people with skills that the American market doesn't have' argument doesn't fly - the re…

It's that (c) that I really take issue with, H-1B workers tend to be paid below par and their immigration status being tied to employment greatly lowers their ability to self-advocate. I also (cynical opinion incoming) think that companies target cultures with less emphasis on self-worth when bringing people in on these. I think people should absolutely be able to immigrate on a fair and just basis but I really disli…

> their immigration status being tied to employment greatly lowers their ability to self-advocate

H1B holders are free to change employers, but the new employer has to apply for a new visa (not subject to the cap). I've changed my job 3 times on an H1B, always for a better role and more pay.

Re: H-1B Employer Data Hub

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Post by patrickg_zill »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #74
throwawayjava wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't speak for every role, but I've worked with a lot of H1B holders in not-entry-but-not-senior positions (think $300K+ but not $500K+). I can't think of a single case where there would be an "obvious" replacement for that person -- not just in the US, but anywhere in the world. In fact, most of those H1Bs I've worked with eventually end up switching to the O1 anyways (for reference, very few SWEs -- even at FAAN…

For every guest worker who meets the program's purpose there's 100 more working for the minimum salary in a position that was crafted to turn away domestic applicants.

I don't know for sure what the ratio is, but I think that you are mostly correct. There are some YouTube videos that show lawyers discussing how to rig the process.

I hesitate to rely on my anecdotal experience but my opinion is that unless they are really high level programmers or whatnot they are butts in seats.

Re: H-1B Employer Data Hub

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Post by jogjayr »

devoply wrote: post #62
hammock wrote: post #12

Some initial analysis- Of the top 20 employers, the average approval rate was 76%. Most of the employers are outsourcing subcontractors or accounting firms. But there were five employers in the top 20 with 90%+ approval rates: Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Facebook and Apple.

And it's a question as to whether any of these FAANG companies actually need to hire any H1Bs considering how much money they have. How many well paying jobs are they exporting for no good reason other than they want to keep more money.

FB and Google are well known for paying near or at top of market salaries for developers and PMs. Netflix is even more explicit about this - their compensation philosophy (available on their website) can be summarized as "We will not be outbid." (from personal experience I know they really mean it)

These companies sponsor H1B visas because some of the people they wish to hire happen to not able to work in the US without a visa. They'll hire anyone who passes the interview.

Re: H-1B Employer Data Hub

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Post by patrickg_zill »

munk-a wrote: post #52
Mountain_Skies wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Causing demographic shifts isn't the stated purpose of the immigration system. No presidential candidate would ever run on replacing incumbent demographics with planetary demographics. Are you suggesting that demographic replacement should be the purpose of the US immigration system or the purpose of the immigration system of any country for that matter? To do so would invite an incredible backlash against all forms…

This is flipping the parent poster on their head and then some. The immigration system is supposed to allow a fair and just way for new people to immigrate, _that's it_. There has been (among really stupid internet circles) this concept that demographic replacement is a thing we should all be running around waving our arms over. I believe simple pandering and greed (more than demographic replacement) is a motivation…

If you say "the State is electing itself a new people" then the demographic shift is more obviously anti-democratic, which it is. The people who voted are having their votes diluted...

Re: H-1B Employer Data Hub

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Post by godzilla82 »

devoply wrote: post #62
hammock wrote: post #12

Some initial analysis- Of the top 20 employers, the average approval rate was 76%. Most of the employers are outsourcing subcontractors or accounting firms. But there were five employers in the top 20 with 90%+ approval rates: Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Facebook and Apple.

And it's a question as to whether any of these FAANG companies actually need to hire any H1Bs considering how much money they have. How many well paying jobs are they exporting for no good reason other than they want to keep more money.

This form of reasoning is very common but very confused IMO. Logically thinking, everyone would want to keep more money. I don't know why a rational thinking entity would try to make decisions that would increase costs. Everyone optimizes. Optimization is the basis of any free economy.

Re: H-1B Employer Data Hub

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Post by pandaman »

jogjayr wrote: post #92
munk-a wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's that (c) that I really take issue with, H-1B workers tend to be paid below par and their immigration status being tied to employment greatly lowers their ability to self-advocate. I also (cynical opinion incoming) think that companies target cultures with less emphasis on self-worth when bringing people in on these. I think people should absolutely be able to immigrate on a fair and just basis but I really disli…

> their immigration status being tied to employment greatly lowers their ability to self-advocate H1B holders are free to change employers, but the new employer has to apply for a new visa (not subject to the cap). I've changed my job 3 times on an H1B, always for a better role and more pay.

It is true for the H1B holders with the visas under 6 years. However there is a whole class of H1Bs who had been in status for longer. They manage to extend their status beyond 6 years based on approved I-140 and the fact that they cannot apply for a Green Card because of the country limit. For these people the H1B is the only available legal status and it entirely depends on the I-140, which belongs to the employer.

Theoretically, nothing prevents them from changing jobs just like with a <6 y.o. H1B. Also, theoretically, nothing prevents the old employer from recalling the I-140. In such a case there are, probably, ways to still retain legal status but they are far more complicated than filing for a new H1B.

Re: H-1B Employer Data Hub

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Post by omegaworks »

patrickg_zill wrote: post #95
munk-a wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is flipping the parent poster on their head and then some. The immigration system is supposed to allow a fair and just way for new people to immigrate, _that's it_. There has been (among really stupid internet circles) this concept that demographic replacement is a thing we should all be running around waving our arms over. I believe simple pandering and greed (more than demographic replacement) is a motivation…

If you say "the State is electing itself a new people" then the demographic shift is more obviously anti-democratic, which it is. The people who voted are having their votes diluted...

>If you say "the State is electing itself a new people"

You're the only one saying that, though.

The state does not create people out of whole cloth.

You can only see immigration as anti-democratic when you see new immigrants as somehow inherently different than the inhabitants. When you discard any notion that they could be equal partners in building better lives here.

Re: H-1B Employer Data Hub

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Post by vakataka »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #75
outworlder wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So let me get this straight, other immigrant's jobs can be easily done by locals with minimal training, hence it is a scam. BUT your 'front-end skills' are so unique that no other American can do it? His _position_ may require more than _minimal_ training. We don't know as we haven't seen the application.

Requirements: Minimal front end skills and fluent in Hindi.

I doubt you would be this openly racist about any other race. How is this not flagged?

Re: H-1B Employer Data Hub

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Post by omegaworks »

ralph84 wrote: post #84
Mountain_Skies wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Causing demographic shifts isn't the stated purpose of the immigration system. No presidential candidate would ever run on replacing incumbent demographics with planetary demographics. Are you suggesting that demographic replacement should be the purpose of the US immigration system or the purpose of the immigration system of any country for that matter? To do so would invite an incredible backlash against all forms…

In fact the current immigration system in the US was explicitly sold to Americans at the time as one that would not cause a demographic shift.

Sold how, and at which time, specifically?

In 1882, when the first immigration law specifically called out Chinese people for exclusion?

Or today, when the internationally agreed upon framework for asylum is actively undermined by the current administration?

And what makes these sales just, fair, or even productive?

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