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Re: Told U.S. security at risk, Chinese firm seeks to sell Grindr dating app

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I thought Cfius could only block deals. I’ve never heard of them forcing a sale and the article doesn’t really speak to this odd situation.

I think this is part of the growing resistance to china and its bad actions. The EU just did something similar: https://breakingdefense.com/2019/03/europe-moves-to-better-m... People are starting to wake up to the fact that china won't stop until the west stops it.

You mean until the US stops doing similar spying worldwide?

Makes sense.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually when you get denied a clearance they give you a statement of reasons (SOR) in your rejection letter which you have a certain period to rebut. (I think 30 days?)

Guessing they have a dozen vague reasons on the ready to cite without any further explanations required

> Guessing they have a dozen vague reasons on the ready to cite without any further explanations required

You're wrong. You should read the link forks25 posted to one of the decisions: http://ogc.osd.mil/doha/industrial/2018/16-04107.h1.pdf

I looked through some others, and here's one where a Chinese person was denied clearance on account of foreign ties: http://ogc.osd.mil/doha/industrial/2019/17-03450.a1.pdf

And here's another were someone was denied for alcoholism: http://ogc.osd.mil/doha/industrial/2019/18-00782.a1.pdf

All the reasoning seems very clear to me.

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As a practical example, I'm guessing there's concern that they could get personal sexuality information about someone in the military and extort them with it. Seems really quite plausible to me.

So, Americans have bigoted views towards gays, which means a Chinese company can’t own a gay social network?

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There are similar longer sanctions if you have a Chinese spouse and such.

How is this not naked racism? Or do race-based anti-discrimination laws simply not apply to some government jobs?

Chinese is used both as a race and citizenship marker, I’m using it here as the latter and not the former. Chinese themselves are hard pressed to come up with a suitable distinction.

Eg Uighurs aren’t referred to as Chinese when they emigrate abroad like Han are, even though they are both supposedly Chinese when citizens of the PRC. In that case, if I married a Uighur with a PRC passport, my security clearance would still be in jeapordy, if I married a Chinese (Han) or Uighur with a Canadian passport, there is less of a problem depending on when/if they naturalized.

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> Its about allegiance to a country. Not your race. Also vulnerability to manipulation. So you'll be denied if you're heavily in debt and have a gambling problem, even if you're absolutely loyal and patriotic.

It's also about not browsing porn at work... :P You would think people would know better but if you ever get bored and decided to browse clearance rejection decisions you see dozens of people losing their clearance each year because they looked at porn on their work computer.

Notable clearance rejection decisions you might enjoy reading:

1. There was a man who loved his dog in a way that one is not supposed to love a dog.

2. There were a couple people who liked crotch ventilation while riding around on a motorcycle.

Re: Told U.S. security at risk, Chinese firm seeks to sell Grindr dating app

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As a practical example, I'm guessing there's concern that they could get personal sexuality information about someone in the military and extort them with it. Seems really quite plausible to me.

So, Americans have bigoted views towards gays, which means a Chinese company can’t own a gay social network?

Part of the process of getting a security clearance is proving you can't be blackmailed.

Lots of things you would think are disqualifying aren't, as long as you disclose them (being involved with BDSM is the most obvious answer I'm aware of).

The fact that they're LGBT isn't the issue with the repeal of don't ask don't tell. But if they're not out and they don't disclose then yes, this information is absolutely valuable.

Money stuff is another disqualifying event. If you're heavily in debt then you're vulnerable to being paid off in exchange for something against the interests of the United States.

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As a practical example, I'm guessing there's concern that they could get personal sexuality information about someone in the military and extort them with it. Seems really quite plausible to me.

The endgame vulnerability of a dating app containing PII including STD infection status, falling victim to insurmountable abuse or gaming via automation, AI or ML could rapidly or stealthily generate fast spreading health epidemics with extreme precision and strategy.

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What makes Grindr special in this regard ? I’m sure there are other dating or social apps out there that also could be foreign owned and used for espionage....???

> What makes Grindr special in this regard ? I’m sure there are other dating or social apps out there that also could be foreign owned and used for espionage....??? select opm.name, opm.address from opm_security_clearance_files opm join grindr_users grinder where grinder.phone_number = opm.phone_number and opm.clearance in ('SECRET', 'TOP SECRET', 'SCI'); If any of those people are in the closet, they could be suscep…

> where grinder.phone_number = opm.phone_number

why would grindr have that? Hell, they dont even validate the random string you can put in the email field

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is part of the growing resistance to china and its bad actions. The EU just did something similar: https://breakingdefense.com/2019/03/europe-moves-to-better-m... People are starting to wake up to the fact that china won't stop until the west stops it.

You mean until the US stops doing similar spying worldwide? Makes sense.

I don't approve of America surveilling her own citizens, but at least she doesn't abuse the information the way china does. Show me the reeducation camps, great firewall, etc. in America. Not perfect, certainly, but much less bad.

Re: Told U.S. security at risk, Chinese firm seeks to sell Grindr dating app

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An additional security concern is Grindr’s location tracking. If you haven’t used it, it broadcasts people as “N feet away” on a grid (sorted by distance).

That information could be used to discern the locations of military personnel.

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