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Re: Tracing child abusers: Where was this picture taken? [video]

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Post by pvaldes » Wed, Mar 27, 2019, 6:03 PM UTC

Kadin wrote: post #88

Kadin wrote: post #58

Looking at the swingset photo ( https://www.europol.europa.eu/sites/default/files/styles/eur... ) That's an interesting design of swingset; not one I've seen before. Unlike the bog-standard swingset in the US, which is typically all steel tube, that one looks like it has extruded (aluminum?) verticals and then a tubular horizontal weldment as the top piece. Further, the horizontal looks like it was hot-dip galvanized…

Replying to myself because I got an email from a user with a match: http://igra23.ru/katalog/karuseli-kacheli-balansiry/kacheli-... It has the swept-bend tubular corner reinforcements, the polyethylene (or some other kind of plastic) panels on the upper corners, etc. The only difference I can see between the product photo and the Europol one is that, in the Europol photo, the top bar seems galvanized rather than pain…

This is an exact fit. Great job

Re: Tracing child abusers: Where was this picture taken? [video]

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Post by dennisgorelik » Tue, Apr 02, 2019, 3:20 AM UTC

bane wrote: post #86

DanBC wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What kind of abuse? Child sexual exploitation is a well researched bit of criminology. Jessica Eaton has a lot of research focusing on female victims which covers all of this stuff.

I've been trying to figure out what dennisgorelik's angle is in his comments in this thread and can't quite figure it out. I've decided not to respond directly because they're obviously not coming from a rational person who's spent even a few moments thinking about what he's writing. Everything I've written as a response comes off as patronizing at best and incredibly rude at worst so I've decided to just not respond…

> can't quite figure it out. I've decided not to respond

"No communication" attitude does not really help with figuring out what other people think.

> obviously

"can't quite figure it out", but conclusions are "obvious" anyway?

> It's kept me up half ... so rage inducing

That hints that there is an unresolved conflict.

Re: Tracing child abusers: Where was this picture taken? [video]

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Post by dennisgorelik » Tue, Apr 02, 2019, 3:33 AM UTC

astrodust wrote: post #89

dennisgorelik wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If they did who would listen? Police. > If they did what risks and repercussions do they face? Based on my experience as a victim of a crime, complaint to police very quickly reduced my risk of repercussions -- as soon as perpetrators faced police. > this kind of abuse What kind of abuse?

Police. Right. Sure. Your anecdotal experience is of only minor consequence here. I've known people that have been abused by the police and other authority figures. Plus if you're a minor and you're being abused by your guardian and the police show up to ask questions you're going to face backlash and it isn't going to be good. For some there's really nowhere to go for justice.

> I've known people that have been abused by the police

I've been abused by the police.

That did not prevent me from complaining to police when I got in trouble with criminals.

> For some there's really nowhere to go for justice.

Correct. But many victims still have ability to get justice. And it is very hard for potential perpetrator to predict if victim would complain or not.

So that uncertainty works as an effective deterrent, even if some of the victims are not going to complain.

Re: Tracing child abusers: Where was this picture taken? [video]

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Post by dennisgorelik » Tue, Apr 02, 2019, 3:39 AM UTC

DanBC wrote: post #85

dennisgorelik wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If they did who would listen? Police. > If they did what risks and repercussions do they face? Based on my experience as a victim of a crime, complaint to police very quickly reduced my risk of repercussions -- as soon as perpetrators faced police. > this kind of abuse What kind of abuse?

> What kind of abuse? Child sexual exploitation is a well researched bit of criminology. Jessica Eaton has a lot of research focusing on female victims which covers all of this stuff.

How do you know if there was exploitation if there were no complaints?

How do you even know from that story that there was sex or child involved?

You are eager to engage in a manhunt based on ... what exactly?

Re: Tracing child abusers: Where was this picture taken? [video]

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Post by astrodust » Wed, Apr 03, 2019, 2:08 AM UTC

dennisgorelik wrote: post #93

astrodust wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Police. Right. Sure. Your anecdotal experience is of only minor consequence here. I've known people that have been abused by the police and other authority figures. Plus if you're a minor and you're being abused by your guardian and the police show up to ask questions you're going to face backlash and it isn't going to be good. For some there's really nowhere to go for justice.

> I've known people that have been abused by the police I've been abused by the police. That did not prevent me from complaining to police when I got in trouble with criminals. > For some there's really nowhere to go for justice. Correct. But many victims still have ability to get justice. And it is very hard for potential perpetrator to predict if victim would complain or not. So that uncertainty works as an effecti…

If you're white and male, sure, you can go to the cops and they may or may not do something depending on where you live.

If you're not they may think it's just hilarious to torment you, to ridicule you, or worse.

In some places in America, for many people, the police are the enemy and cannot be engaged with in any capacity for any reason whatsoever.

Re: Tracing child abusers: Where was this picture taken? [video]

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Post by pvaldes » Thu, Apr 04, 2019, 4:01 PM UTC

dennisgorelik wrote: post #94

DanBC wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What kind of abuse? Child sexual exploitation is a well researched bit of criminology. Jessica Eaton has a lot of research focusing on female victims which covers all of this stuff.

How do you know if there was exploitation if there were no complaints? How do you even know from that story that there was sex or child involved? You are eager to engage in a manhunt based on ... what exactly?

> How do you even know from that story that there was sex or child involved? You are eager to engage in a manhunt based on ... what exactly?

Trust. We can see often cases of americans executed by traffic police just because, and other abuses ("A Dallas police officer entered an apartment she thought was hers and killed the owner of the apartment" and so...) so the repeated message that encounters with US police should be navigated carefully if you don't want to be another victim looks justified. At least in some places and specially if you are black or latino.

I think that in Europe we have a different relationship with the police. It seems (from my non expert point of view, I could be wrong) that Police in USA can lie and "get away with murder" anytime they want. Europol lying about such serious theme as abused children would be a big no. Would nuke any trust and public collaboration and is just not expected. What happened to Ian Murdock, Aaron Swartz or Andrew Sadek [1] would be very difficult to justify from an european point of view

[1] https://www.thedailybeast.com/student-drug-informant-found-w...

Re: Tracing child abusers: Where was this picture taken? [video]

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Post by dennisgorelik » Fri, Apr 05, 2019, 12:01 PM UTC

pvaldes wrote: post #96

dennisgorelik wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you know if there was exploitation if there were no complaints? How do you even know from that story that there was sex or child involved? You are eager to engage in a manhunt based on ... what exactly?

> How do you even know from that story that there was sex or child involved? You are eager to engage in a manhunt based on ... what exactly? Trust. We can see often cases of americans executed by traffic police just because, and other abuses ("A Dallas police officer entered an apartment she thought was hers and killed the owner of the apartment" and so...) so the repeated message that encounters with US police shoul…

"Trust" without any details about what actually happened?

Without any details about where these photos came from?

Without court decision?

Re: Tracing child abusers: Where was this picture taken? [video]

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Post by pvaldes » Fri, Apr 05, 2019, 2:50 PM UTC

dennisgorelik wrote: post #97

pvaldes wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How do you even know from that story that there was sex or child involved? You are eager to engage in a manhunt based on ... what exactly? Trust. We can see often cases of americans executed by traffic police just because, and other abuses ("A Dallas police officer entered an apartment she thought was hers and killed the owner of the apartment" and so...) so the repeated message that encounters with US police shoul…

"Trust" without any details about what actually happened? Without any details about where these photos came from? Without court decision?

> Without any details about what actually happened

I agree that is frustrating not having more details that could help us to link facts or notice subtle details that otherwise would be missed, but I can see how showing forever specific details about his/her sexual abuse in internet would do more harm than good to the victim.

> Without court decision?

You can't start a trial without having even the name of a suspect. It seems that is too early for that if they are compiling facts and trying to reach victims.

> where these photos came from?

[shrug] pedophilic archives in internet?

Re: Tracing child abusers: Where was this picture taken? [video]

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Post by dennisgorelik » Sun, Apr 07, 2019, 2:48 PM UTC

pvaldes wrote: post #98

dennisgorelik wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Trust" without any details about what actually happened? Without any details about where these photos came from? Without court decision?

> Without any details about what actually happened I agree that is frustrating not having more details that could help us to link facts or notice subtle details that otherwise would be missed, but I can see how showing forever specific details about his/her sexual abuse in internet would do more harm than good to the victim. > Without court decision? You can't start a trial without having even the name of a suspect.…

> pedophilic archives in internet?

So somebody took a bunch of photos of children in public places. These children probably are not even aware about these photos and do not care either way. But activists from this post would like to turn these children into victims and drag them into dirty investigation. Then put the photographer into prison for 5-20 years and permanently label him "sex offender" for the rest of his life.

Do I understand the goals of this search correctly?