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Re: Addressing Spotify’s Claims

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Just like other online book shops don't sell their books on the Kindle device store app.

But, at the very least, Amazon doesn’t prevent you from reading ebooks from outside their store on a kindle. They just don’t favilate their discovery. (Unless things changed since I last owned a kindle which was quite a while ago)

Just like Apple does when you import books via iTunes.

Re: Addressing Spotify’s Claims

#92

> What Spotify is demanding is something very different. After using the App Store for years to dramatically grow their business, Spotify seeks to keep all the benefits of the App Store ecosystem — including the substantial revenue that they draw from the App Store’s customers — without making any contributions to that marketplace. Please Apple, pay all the open source projects that you use, a fair share of the reven…

Open Source, pay for Apple's WebKit and Apple's contributions to FreeBSD and other open source projects.

Every Linux box that is connected to a printer (specially networked printers) runs CUPS in part by Apple.

Also, FreeBSD is a small part of macOS, contrary to what some people want other people to believe, and FreeBSD is not in that camp of GPLv3, so no, FreeBSD is not on that disgusting echo chamber leaded by Stallmann

Re: Addressing Spotify’s Claims

#93
This sidesteps a few of the issues, which include that Spotify like others in the app store is at the mercy of Apple interpreting its own rules when deciding to block updates.

Then there's the notion that Apple is competing with its own customers in the appstore. And when it comes to Spotify, Apple Music is a direct competitor but I doubt they charge them 30% of revenue. They have a huge conflict of interest. Pretending that they are even remotely neutral is ludicrous. They block competing browser technologies; technology stacks not favorable to them; content they don't like; business models they don't like; etc.

And then the infamous Apple tax is of course very lucrative for Apple. Calling others greedy while charging this much while actively competing against them is simply arrogant. Spotify has delivered lots of revenue to Apple over the years. It seems Apple feels entitled to a huge chunk of this revenue and to the privilege of unfairly competing with them at the same time.

This company (and others like it, cough Amazon) deserve to be scrutinized for their anti competitive practices.

Re: Addressing Spotify’s Claims

#94
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They’re not milking anything. Apple has, as far as I know, always charged 30%. What has changed is the way we buy and pay for apps and services. Everyone wants to move to the subscription service model and Apple has developed rules accordingly.

I thought the problem was, that their own apps do not have to pay 30%, so they can easily replace any app with their own, if they choose to.

But that's a too simple way to look at it. I am not trying to defend the 30%, but just saying 'their own apps do not have to pay 30%, so they can easily replace any app with their own' doesn't go far enough. They got two options: a) make a 30% on $10/month from Spotify -> $3 in Apple's bag for no work or effort at all. Almost pure profit. b) sell their own music solution for $10/month (INSTEAD of that customer going to Spotify) and have to pay out X to musicians, companies, younameit. Higher hosting and streaming costs too. If X>$7/month Apple loses. If it's $7 Apple earns as much but no more than with option a), if it's less than $7/month only then Apple wins.

Re: Addressing Spotify’s Claims

#95
Funny that they didn't mention Apple Music even once in their statement, which is what a major part of the complaint is about.

Overall I'm shocked by the level of hubris coming from Apple. The app store is a mutually beneficial ecosystem for all parties, but they make it sound like they are doing the world a huge favor by running it.

Re: Addressing Spotify’s Claims

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Can anyone explain why Wechat, the app that can do everything, streaming paid music, read paid ebooks, order food and goods, play games, are allowed to charge directly without IAP? Heck wechat even had its own mini app store.

Wechat isn't a direct competitor

Re: Addressing Spotify’s Claims

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Apple’s essential claims: 1. 15-30% is a fair “contribution to maintaining the App Store ecosystem” which has led to Spotify’s “dramatic growth.” 2. Spotify is greedy and bad, just look at how they squeeze artists, unlike us. The second point is really weak considering that paying such a high fee to Apple, which Apple Music itself doesn’t have to pay, might force Spotify to take it out of the artists’ end to stay afl…

Spotify isn't paying ANY fee to Apple.

Spotify is a free App and there are no IAPs.

All costumers that use Spotify in Apple devices have to pay through the WWW, carriers, gift cards, etc.

Spotify is a piece of shit that wants to use Apple's network for free. Because they know people trust Apple with their CCs more than them.

Re: Addressing Spotify’s Claims

#98
> Spotify seeks to keep all the benefits of the App Store ecosystem — including the substantial revenue that they draw from the App Store’s customers — without making any contributions to that marketplace

Wow, Apple's response is rather arrogant. Apple seems to forget that without apps like Spotify, and those it said "contribute nothing to the app store", app store won't grow to what it is today. I am pretty sure that Spotify is willing to distribute outside AppStore if you give it a choice.

Re: Addressing Spotify’s Claims

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> Underneath the rhetoric, Spotify’s aim is to make more money off others’ work. And it’s not just the App Store that they’re trying to squeeze — it’s also artists, musicians and songwriters. Uh, I seem to recall Apple being forced to reverse some brazenly greedy policies for their music service when a high-profile artist called them out and withheld content in protest. For Apple to characterize itself as a champion…

> Spotify’s aim is to make more money off others’ work Moreover, that's the pot calling the kettle black. That's the app store in a nutshell -- Apple supplies the marketplace, but is also making a substantial chunk of money off of others’ work.

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Re: Addressing Spotify’s Claims

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> What Spotify is demanding is something very different. After using the App Store for years to dramatically grow their business, Spotify seeks to keep all the benefits of the App Store ecosystem — including the substantial revenue that they draw from the App Store’s customers — without making any contributions to that marketplace. Please Apple, pay all the open source projects that you use, a fair share of the reven…

Pay whom exactly? Apple "pays" for open source by contributing code and fixes, which is how it should be.
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