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Re: Death metal music inspires joy not violence

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Post by aasasd » Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 12:27 PM UTC

rypskar wrote: post #87

aasasd wrote: post #22

I'd like to see a study like this done on members of the Norwegian black metal scene from the early 90s. Because I still can't figure out what the burnings and stuff were about (aside from paganism, I guess), and “TROO” metalheads sound pretty crazy even compared to all the other ‘alternative’ culture aficionados. But generally, of course, this experiment seems like just one bit of a proper comprehensive study.

Burnings where the extreme outliers, maybe like there where some killings in the American hip-hop scene at the same time. Remember that the (black) metal scene in Norway was so large that in the late '90s a black metal band had a song in the national top 20 list for weeks (Satyricon, fuel for hatred). What a handful of persons taking it to the extreme, did do not define the scene Edit: Don't underestimate the calming…

> calming effect from death/black metal when writing code

For a looong time, I've been looking for techno or breakbeat with proper metal, i.e. more than some vague guitar buzz. No luck.

Filmmaker's ‘Crepuscular’ might be the closest thing yet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XvB64VU3yw

For some reason, a steady rhythm vastly outperforms anything else as a soundtrack for coding.

Re: Death metal music inspires joy not violence

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Post by Kuraj » Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 12:30 PM UTC

cviilgan wrote: post #34

YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #15

That's death metal though. Other forms of extreme metal can have lyrics that, far from toying with splatter-gore themes for the shock value, express terminally anti-social politics. I'm thinking of black. Sometimes I'm just happy that a few of the bands I listen to sing in Swedish or Norwegian etc that I don't understand, so that I can't tell what they're singing about. Although the imagery can often give a bit of a…

I'd just like to point out that, as someone who mainly listens to black metal, I do not share these opinions. Concerning the lyrics, I generally categorize them into two groups (with non-empty cut set): * Intellectual lyrics, which criticize some part of society or human behaviour, or they deal with personal issues (e.g. http://www.darklyrics.com/lyrics/todtgelichter/angst.html#1 ) * Theme lyrics, which try to fit a…

What do you think of Mgła?

Re: Death metal music inspires joy not violence

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Post by midasz » Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 2:11 PM UTC

aasasd wrote: post #91

rypskar wrote: post #87

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Burnings where the extreme outliers, maybe like there where some killings in the American hip-hop scene at the same time. Remember that the (black) metal scene in Norway was so large that in the late '90s a black metal band had a song in the national top 20 list for weeks (Satyricon, fuel for hatred). What a handful of persons taking it to the extreme, did do not define the scene Edit: Don't underestimate the calming…

> calming effect from death/black metal when writing code For a looong time, I've been looking for techno or breakbeat with proper metal, i.e. more than some vague guitar buzz. No luck. Filmmaker's ‘Crepuscular’ might be the closest thing yet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XvB64VU3yw For some reason, a steady rhythm vastly outperforms anything else as a soundtrack for coding.

You'd love Karma to Burn then, example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxGD45SK08o

Re: Death metal music inspires joy not violence

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Post by ionised » Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 3:16 PM UTC

wallace_f wrote: post #12

nabla9 wrote: post #9

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We did once informal study among friends comparing heart rate in rest and taste in music. Those with low heart rate favored faster tempo and those with fastest heartbeat favored slowest tempo. (Age and cardiovascular fitness matter more, but tt the time we were all young and relatively fit).

Are you also considering an analogy: those with innate capacities for violence tend to favor an aesthetic or desire of joy or peace? It's not 100% true, but I find that it tends to be.

> those with innate capacities for violence

Pretty sure that's everybody.

Re: Death metal music inspires joy not violence

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Post by wallace_f » Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 4:07 PM UTC

ionised wrote: post #94

wallace_f wrote: post #12

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Are you also considering an analogy: those with innate capacities for violence tend to favor an aesthetic or desire of joy or peace? It's not 100% true, but I find that it tends to be.

> those with innate capacities for violence Pretty sure that's everybody.

Possibly, but some, though willing to aggress on others, quickly cowar at any actual sign of violence.

Re: Death metal music inspires joy not violence

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Post by stcredzero » Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 4:09 PM UTC

KozmoNau7 wrote: post #77

stcredzero wrote: post #35

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It'd be like being afraid Count Chocula will inspire a generation of cannibals. Years ago, there were the fundamentalist types who would've thought that the vampire/occult theme was a cutesy backdoor into pulling kids into satanic occult stuff. Same sort of people who tried to stigmatize D&D and video games. Same sort of people who wanted to censor books, music, movies, etc. In 2019, we have a new kind of fundamental…

In a lot of cases, it's not just "wrongthink", the people are actually genuinely far right extremists. Take the Asgardsrei festival in Ukraine for instance. It is literally run by neo-nazis, with the far-right Azov Battalion acting as guards, avowed racist/fascist bands on the stage, and a whole day of militia workshops and talks by known neo-nazis. So yes, it is real. It's a small scene, and most black metallers hat…

So yes, it is real. It's a small scene, and most black metallers hate their guts, but it shouldn't be ignored.

By the same token, this small subset shouldn't be used to tar the entire black metal scene. There are activist pseudo-journalists who have done this in the past, and this is a prevalent pattern in recent years. Look out for this happening, and be sure to speak out when you see it happening.

Re: Death metal music inspires joy not violence

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Post by stcredzero » Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 4:10 PM UTC

v-yadli wrote: post #70

taneq wrote: post #63

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Ultraviolence and Beethoven?

c'mon, Beethoven is metal for 1700s.

When the waltz was introduced, people said that the dance was too lascivious and would result in the decay of societal morals.

Re: Death metal music inspires joy not violence

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Post by hi5eyes » Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 4:16 PM UTC

mzybert wrote: post #90

hi5eyes wrote: post #19

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codeine king is very much not rooted in any metal, as a band from the sludgewave era of metalcore/hardcore its a sound rooted in hardcore, codeine king is not metal vctms is a metalcore band jfac is a deathcore band, esp during the doom ep era deathcore being a combination of death metal and metalcore actually, none of the bands you linked are metal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAhrbAK_34w Yeah, that's totally closer to punk than metal...

you do realize taim is deathcore right? if you're confused you can google the bands name and look at the genres they're classified as and then read about how genres work... v simple but i could help if you want

Re: Death metal music inspires joy not violence

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Post by reustle » Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 4:29 PM UTC

CapricornNoble wrote: post #89

wyred wrote: post #56

The timing of this article feels like it was written in response to Singapore banning a Swedish black metal band from performing at the very last minute. https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/watain-black-... https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/watain-concer...

I fly halfway across Japan about every two years for metal concerts in Osaka. Big-name extreme metal acts usually only visit Tokyo & Osaka. About 3-4 years ago Watain was headlining a show. I would have been PISSED, having bought a plane ticket and a hotel, only to find the headline act was cancelled due to some nonsense. \m/>_<\m/

Fellow metalhead in Tokyo. Know of any good shows/lists of shows?

Re: Death metal music inspires joy not violence

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Post by skibz » Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 5:00 PM UTC

A notable case of people being profiled as violent due to their taste in metal music is the Robin Hood Hills murders [1].

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise_Lost:_The_Child_Murde...

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The children that were prosecuted also raised eyebrows because of their philosophical interests in LaVeyan Satanism (which is absolutely not what most people would probably assume it to be)