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FBI accuses wealthy parents in college-entrance bribery scheme

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Re: FBI accuses wealthy parents in college-entrance bribery scheme

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This is pretty wild. Seeing the FBI tackle something like this is so far outside of the legal and cultural norms of society that it's difficult to even really comment on.

The rich are getting richer and that demographic usually attends Ivy League schools. As the middle class disintegrates you're going to see more public incentive to prosecute the rich who bend or break the law to sustain their wealth.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is no secret It sounds like you agree, then? It should be public.

It is public. Universities almost always include the donation size when they put out press releases about the new building.

But very rarely how many of the donor's family they lowered admission standards for, and by how much.

Re: FBI accuses wealthy parents in college-entrance bribery scheme

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This might be more overt than the usual form, but how does this differ from donating a new building, department, or scholarship fund and subsequently getting your kid in? My mother did well in the Masters program at Stanford and I would have likely gotten in if she donated a couple million dollars but she didn’t and I didn’t (despite getting an invitation a year after accepting enrollment at another university). It’s…

When you "donate" a building, the school gets to use it. It blurs the line between legitimate and fraud because there's obvious benefits that transcend the arrangement of a wealthy sprog.

When you "donate" $1.2m to a "consultancy" you're just committing fraud. Nobody benefits except your kid and the "consultancy." It's much easier to prove that this transaction is fraudulent.

So in this case the government is going after fraudsters because the government isn't getting paid, and neither is the school. I'd be willing to bet that the government would have continued looking the other way if a) the wealthy had paid taxes on their bribe or b) there was some indisputable asset one could point to and say "there's my donation!"

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Before I saw this submission I posted from Chronicle of Higher Ed. But I don't know if it's paywalled or not since I subscribe to that (and to WaPo, fwiw).

Re: FBI accuses wealthy parents in college-entrance bribery scheme

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https://www.justice.gov/usao-ma/investigations-college-admis... Has a list of people and indictments/etc that have been filed so far.

The parents are facing serious federal charges there. Conspiracy to commit mail fraud is what, up to 5yrs prison and a $250k fine? I feel for them - it's the type of crime I can easily imagine myself committing* - but good that this has been put to a stop.

*while also believing that, given the opportunity, I would choose to play it fair.

Re: FBI accuses wealthy parents in college-entrance bribery scheme

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because it’s legal doesn’t mean it’s not corrupt.

The purpose of a research institution is to do research, not provide degrees to some selection of particularly smart young people. They will act in ways to increase the research they can do. People don’t deserve to be let in just because they are clever, they also should have some probability of furthering the research aims through their studying/paying fees. Why is it more unfair to let in someone who can pay for a…

Your first two statements I agree with but they don't really apply to this article which is about undergraduates.

Undergrads are pretty much irrelevant to major research institutions (e.g. my undergraduate alma mater MIT spends only about 16% of its budget on undergrads who are actually subsidized -- tuition is about 14% of revenue). Grad students are what matter and apart from the B school they are mostly paid (barely) to attend.

Re: FBI accuses wealthy parents in college-entrance bribery scheme

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Donating a building is a payment to the university . The university then gets to decide to admit your child in return. It may not be meritocratic, but it's not corrupt (except perhaps insofar as by pretending the exchange is a donation, the university and donor manage to cheat the taxman). The donor is simply paying the university to provide a service that they have every right to offer for money. It also benefits ot…

Just because it’s legal doesn’t mean it’s not corrupt.

I wonder if you can help me understand this better. Why does a specific private university need let in the smartest or most capable students? What does that have to be their goal or they are unjust? Why can't they have different reasons and goals when building their student body? I understand things like racism and other forms of bigotry. But what's wrong with adding some students that will bring in the perspective of the super wealthy? Not to mention the significant additional funds it will provide for everyone else?

It feels like having a purely merit based population of students would create a very stagnant and dull environment.

Re: FBI accuses wealthy parents in college-entrance bribery scheme

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This might be more overt than the usual form, but how does this differ from donating a new building, department, or scholarship fund and subsequently getting your kid in? My mother did well in the Masters program at Stanford and I would have likely gotten in if she donated a couple million dollars but she didn’t and I didn’t (despite getting an invitation a year after accepting enrollment at another university). It’s…

How do you determine the parent's motives? I can't deny that parents use donations as a pay-to-play mechanic at colleges, but how do you guard against it? Do you ban kids from enrolling in or applying to colleges in which their parent's (or close relative) has donated to? My local college was a blessing to me. It provided me an education, a safe atmosphere, and most of all, confidence. It changed me for the better. I…

  how do you guard against it? Do you ban kids from
  enrolling in or applying to colleges in which
  their parent's (or close relative) has donated to?
Blind admissions, where the admissions committee isn't told a name or enough details to identify an individual.

Obviously, people's opinion on that will depend on their opinion on things like admissions essays and extracurricular activities; anything like "I learned a good work ethic helping my father with his senate campaign" will have to go.

Blind grading after admission would be sensible too, for the same reasons. Although perhaps difficult in subjects where individual students' work was identifiable even without their name.

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