I think the research behind this news is quite weak: only 9 days and not that many participants (18 men and 18 women).
I don't think you can dismiss a scientific article without arguments. Please prove your points.
Weekend ‘catch-up sleep’ is a lie
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Re: Weekend ‘catch-up sleep’ is a lie
#92This seems to contradict a recent study that I came across [1]:
The mortality rate among participants with short sleep during weekdays, but long sleep during weekends, did not differ from the rate of the reference group. Among individuals ≥65 years old, no association between weekend sleep or weekday/weekend sleep durations and mortality was observed. In conclusion, short, but not long, weekend sleep was associated with an increased mortality in subjects
[1] https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/jsr.12712
Re: Weekend ‘catch-up sleep’ is a lie
#93Sleep is fun, people who regularly lack it will tell you they're "just fine" but they've been lacking sleep for so long that the baseline they're comparing themselves to is already skewed. Take two weeks off, avoid alcohol and other stimulant, avoid artificial light after 8 and wake up without an alarm. You'll see how you feel after that regimen. Your body knows exactly how much sleep it needs. But that's not compati…
> Take two weeks off, avoid alcohol and other stimulant, avoid artificial light after 8 and wake up without an alarm. You'll see how you feel after that regimen I do this once a year for one month for general health purposes. I am no less groggy in the morning. (No alarm means I wake up at 4AM or after 11 hours.) I am no more energetic. I sleep about the same number of hours as I did otherwise. Generally speaking, I…
If you haven't been chronically sleep deprived and haven't been using a caffeine/alcohol cycle to support that life style, why would you expect to see effects the parent said you would see?
You're at the baseline they were already talking about.
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#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
>is the source of so much of our present issues. Citation needed. Because hyperbole is no different in meta.
>Because hyperbole is no different in meta Citation need... Oh wait, this is discussion, not an academic paper.
> Oh wait, this is discussion, not an academic paper.
It's literally an academic discussion insofar as it's about the technicalities of an academic paper.
So yes, you really do need to support your arguments if you want them to be taken seriously.
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#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Take two weeks off, avoid alcohol and other stimulant, avoid artificial light after 8 and wake up without an alarm. You'll see how you feel after that regimen I do this once a year for one month for general health purposes. I am no less groggy in the morning. (No alarm means I wake up at 4AM or after 11 hours.) I am no more energetic. I sleep about the same number of hours as I did otherwise. Generally speaking, I…
If you haven't been chronically sleep deprived and haven't been using a caffeine/alcohol cycle to support that life style, why would you expect to see effects the parent said you would see? You're at the baseline they were already talking about.
> haven't been using a caffeine/alcohol cycle to support that life style
I'm frequently acutely sleep deprived. (Which is relevant within the context of a "catch-up sleep" article.) And while I don't use alcohol and caffeine to support my sleep cycle, I certainly take each frequently.
Cutting them out had no dramatic effect on my sleep quality. TL; DR Results from cutting out alcohol and caffeine may vary, and not everyone's body knows how much sleep it needs.
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#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
This needs to be top comment. Society's tolerance for bombastic 'journalistic' claims with no consequences is the source of so much of our present issues. Conclusions are cheap.
>is the source of so much of our present issues. Citation needed. Because hyperbole is no different in meta.
The replication problem has been well documented, at least for the social sciences. A cursory search for “replication crisis” will yield many results. For example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis
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#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
The "science" in the linked WaPo article, and the science from the journal, weakly indicate that if you get 5 hours of sleep each night for an entire work week you will get fat, and sleeping in for an extra hour on the weekend won't stop you getting even more fat when you do the same thing on Monday and Tuesday. This has almost nothing to do with what ferros said. No, resting on the weekend won't uneat or burn the ex…
How does sleeping less make you fat? Eating more will make you fat, eating less will make you less fat. If you sleep less you have more time to eat more, but that still requires the eating to happen.
Sleep deprivation causes overeating.
Towards the end of the book The Hungry Brain, by Guyenet, there's a reference to research where both the sleep deprived group and the control group are let loose in the city and allowed to eat whatever they wanted, conditioned on letting the researchers weight and classify it first.
On average, the sleep deprived group ate around 300 calories more.
(sorry I can't produce the original reference, I don't have the book with me)
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#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
This needs to be top comment. Society's tolerance for bombastic 'journalistic' claims with no consequences is the source of so much of our present issues. Conclusions are cheap.
>is the source of so much of our present issues. Citation needed. Because hyperbole is no different in meta.
Here is your citation:
https://www.sciencealert.com/replication-results-reproducibi...
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#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
> you can read the resources published by the EU on the GDPR. They are very legible and relatively easy to understand. Reading the guidelines is not the tricky part of GDPR. The hard part is: "I have a website, am I compliant or what do I have to change to become compliant?" Mapping the guidelines on to real world systems is where the difficult analysis comes in.
I was implying that this was not complicated because I did not find it complicated. I have since learned that this was a lack of empathy on my part.
Don't beat yourself up! I think the problem is that there is so much FUD and inaccurate groupthink around GDPR issues. Whenever I have spoken to subject matter experts they have pointed out what you did that it actually is not that complicated.
But I guess that the average lawyer knowledgable on GDPR issues would struggle to sort an array even in O(n^2) time so what do they know...
I.e. all things are simple to those that understand them!
Re: Weekend ‘catch-up sleep’ is a lie
#100I think the research behind this news is quite weak: only 9 days and not that many participants (18 men and 18 women).
I don't think you can dismiss a scientific article without arguments. Please prove your points.
A 9 day study includes only one weekend. In a study about weekends. One data point is never enough to make any inferences.