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Cancer Complications: Confusing Bills, Maddening Errors And Endless Phone Calls

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Re: Cancer Complications: Confusing Bills, Maddening Errors And Endless Phone Calls

#91
post #23

"But none of these is her most gnawing, ever present concern. That would be the convoluted medical bills that fill multiple binders, depleted savings accounts that destroy early retirement plans and so, so many phone calls with insurers and medical providers." Is it like this in other OECD countries? I ask because I'm told that we in America have "the best health care system in the world."

My father fought cancer for the last 8 years of his life, and was on 2 boxes of Glivec a month for all those years(in US Glivec treatment costs about $146,000/year[0]). He also had 2 operations to remove some tumors, plus bi-monthly MRI to check if the cancer came back. He has never paid a single penny towards the treatment. In fact, the hospital would always reimburse him for taking the train every month to get his drugs and check-ups done. There were no bills to pay, I think he only had to sign one piece of paper every month to say that he picked up his medicine and we could go home. There were never any calls to any insurers or medical providers, simply because as patient over here you don't care who is paying for the treatment. You turn up to the hospital for whatever treatment is planned and that's about it. You don't even know how much the hospital is paying and to whom. It doesn't even matter if you are currently employed/unemployed and if you're paying towards the national health service - if you are not employed(say as a result of your illness) you are still 100% covered anyway.

After he passed away(the cancer unfortunately came back and not much could have been done at that point) his savings account was definitely not affected by 8 years of illness.

That's in Poland btw.

[0] http://www.ascopost.com/issues/may-25-2016/the-arrival-of-ge...

Re: Cancer Complications: Confusing Bills, Maddening Errors And Endless Phone Calls

#92
post #34

In Australia the Leftist government of Gough Whitlam introduced health-coverage-for-all in 1975 with a scheme called Medibank. In 1984 after a couple of governments, Bob Hawke's Leftist government created the Medicare scheme (Medibank became a government provider of private health insurance), which exists to this day. The most interesting stat I ever heard about Medicare was this: prior to Medicare the number one cau…

I'm all for universal coverage too. But reducing the profits of pharmaceutical companies well reduce the money they have for r&d dramatically. This will slow down the speed of pharmaceutical development. So I think it needs to be paired with reforms to the FDA to reduce the go to market costs for drugs.

From https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescription_costs

“A study has placed the amount spent on drug marketing at 2-19 times that on drug research”

Maybe this should be reduced first?

Re: Cancer Complications: Confusing Bills, Maddening Errors And Endless Phone Calls

#94
post #46
post #8

I hate to be political, but anyone who looks at these numbers, and believe that the system is working properly as intended is absolutely an enemy of American Prosperity.

I would argue that the system is working as intended, it's just not to your or my or most other people's benefit.

I would say both your comments are true.

Re: Cancer Complications: Confusing Bills, Maddening Errors And Endless Phone Calls

#95
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd look towards regulations. It costs 2.6 billion dollars to get one single drug through the FDA: https://www.policymed.com/2014/12/a-tough-road-cost-to-devel...

This is a good thing. You don't want to be putting something in you that doesn't work. Drugs need massive R&D and that's why it's effective. I'm more talking about the majority of your bill where the doctor basically spends 5 minutes with you and charges 2k.

So you're against doctors for "monopolizing" medical knowledge but for drug patents that... monopolize medical knowledge?

Re: Cancer Complications: Confusing Bills, Maddening Errors And Endless Phone Calls

#96

This makes me so angry at doctors.

How are these costs the fault of the doctors? I would think the largest blame goes to the insurances and drug makers making billions in profit. At least the drug makers are making something but the insurances are just pooling money and taking of the top for doing almost nothing.

The unofficial doctors union restricts funding for residency spots, thereby restricting supply of doctors, and keeping their prices high.

You can be a doctor in the UK at 24, and in the US, you're at least 30.

Insurance companies' profit margins are capped by law, so only reason they would be making more money is if the providers are charging more money.

Re: Cancer Complications: Confusing Bills, Maddening Errors And Endless Phone Calls

#97
post #34

In Australia the Leftist government of Gough Whitlam introduced health-coverage-for-all in 1975 with a scheme called Medibank. In 1984 after a couple of governments, Bob Hawke's Leftist government created the Medicare scheme (Medibank became a government provider of private health insurance), which exists to this day. The most interesting stat I ever heard about Medicare was this: prior to Medicare the number one cau…

I'm all for universal coverage too. But reducing the profits of pharmaceutical companies well reduce the money they have for r&d dramatically. This will slow down the speed of pharmaceutical development. So I think it needs to be paired with reforms to the FDA to reduce the go to market costs for drugs.

They'll do just fine. The money doesn't all go to R&D, it goes to execs and shareholders. If you force them to compete then you streamline cashflows.

Re: Cancer Complications: Confusing Bills, Maddening Errors And Endless Phone Calls

#99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Important distinction. Most western countries don't bankrupt you for getting old or sick. Oh boy, did i say something which wasn't Pro-'Merica?

I live in the Netherlands, if I would get cancer my contracting income would go to zero, I would have to get a government mortgage to eat my home and after depleting all my assets I would get welfare of about €1000 per month. Bye-bye retirement. The upside is that my healthcare expense would drop from about €5000 per year to €500 pear year.

Does disability insurance not exist in the Netherlands?

Re: Cancer Complications: Confusing Bills, Maddening Errors And Endless Phone Calls

#100

I’m confused. If you have medical insurance, shouldn’t you only pay up to your deductible? Is this saying people’s life assets don’t cover the deductible? Or, people are uninsured?

The deductible might be huge, and there's also this magic new thing I've just discovered (or United invented out of nowhere) called "co-insurance" and "maximum out of pocket" which I call "deductible #2."

Then when you actually try to use the insurance you pay monthly for (but don't get to use until you reach the deductible #1 and #2?) they may just send the bill to you with a lot of legalese that amounts to "we don't cover this, or we do but we have better lawyers, get fucked peasant."

Luckily the debt collection industry is incompetent so all you gotta do is keep replying with "please mail proof of debt" and you're golden!

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