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Re: Huawei Trolls U.S. on Spy Claims with a Jab at Snowden

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Post by ardy42 »

chrischen wrote: post #44
CathayRe wrote: post #12

Nice, Huawei Finally pointed this out, so the next step is hopefully somebody pointing out the difference. There will never be a Snowden in China. You can guarantee their life, or their love one's life will be held hostage. So not only does the "West" ( So to speak ) has a system in place protecting these people, they also have a system to vote them out and elect a new form of government should the ultimate worst com…

Can you cite evidence of Chinese dissidents having family members held hostage? Genuinely curious if this is true, because it doesn't sound like it's true as even the Chinese government is accountable to public opinion to a large degree. For an accusation like that you should always provide substantiated evidence, otherwise you're just flaming the anti-Chinese racial flames. Because as terrible as you may think the C…

Liu Xiaobo's wife was kept under house arrest and nearly incommunicado for eight years, without ever being charged, on account of being married to Nobel-prize winning dissident.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/policies-politics/article/21...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/07/10/liu-xia...

It take's a rather famous case to make it into the Western news, but I have a close Chinese-national friend who's under the strong impression that dissident activity would be bad for her parents.

Re: Huawei Trolls U.S. on Spy Claims with a Jab at Snowden

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Post by OG_BME »

miaklesp wrote: post #79
hatsunearu wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't like the false equivalence of what the US-lead western intelligence does and what the Chinese state does. Obviously in a perfect world none of the "bad" things happen, but I'd rather take the US government spying on me than the Chinese government spy on me.

> I'd rather take the US government spying on me than the Chinese government spy on me. Not everyone shares your opinion.

If the Uighurs had a voice, I think they might have something to say about that[1].

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/chin...

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Post by thraway-burnout »

hatsunearu wrote: post #76
dijit wrote: post #9

I feel like this is fair. People like to paint enemies of the east while essentially letting the west get away with much more heinous stuff. The difference of course is that we implicitly trust US tech companies, of course we do, nobody else has such a monopoly on CPUs and Operating System production. Not to mention web browsers and all kinds of technology. Avoiding the USA in your tech stack is quite literally impos…

I don't like the false equivalence of what the US-lead western intelligence does and what the Chinese state does. Obviously in a perfect world none of the "bad" things happen, but I'd rather take the US government spying on me than the Chinese government spy on me.

True! China has never directly impacted my life or the life of those I love.

The US on the other hand has replaced a bunch of democratically-elected governments in South America with dictatorships, taught torture classes to the people who tortured my grandfather in Brazil, and has taken the economical blockade of Venezuela over the course of decades to the current level of a humanitarian crisis and a disintegrated state, to which (surprise!) they'll have to "bring democracy".

> I don't like the false equivalence of what the US-lead western intelligence does and what the Chinese state does.

I agree, it's a false equivalence. The effects of US-lead western intelligence actions are objectively more perverse.

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Post by dijit »

OG_BME wrote: post #94

Some of these comments are... weird. Multiple accounts with broken English defending China and bringing up African Americans (somewhat irrelevantly) in every argument. I'll leave the speculation as an exercise for the reader.

This is spreading FUD and I'm not sure for what reason.

I have no problem telling you who I am; I currently seem to have the top comment here[0] which makes me probably the prime target of this message.

What about my English is broken? I am British[1], I have been around for a long time[2] and I currently live in Sweden. I have no obligation to any US or China based tech company and no affiliation with China at all (other than the fact I work for a games company that is 5% owned by Tencent[3], but I am definitely not directly involved and I consider their efforts an intrusion).

If you think I'm a troll then I've been playing the long game, I have GitHub commits under this name since 2011.

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19261105

[1]: http://linkedin.com/in/jharasym/

[2]: https://github.com/dijit

[3]: https://www.polygon.com/2018/3/20/17144094/ubisoft-vivendi-s...

Re: Huawei Trolls U.S. on Spy Claims with a Jab at Snowden

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Post by YUMad »

OG_BME wrote: post #92
miaklesp wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'd rather take the US government spying on me than the Chinese government spy on me. Not everyone shares your opinion.

If the Uighurs had a voice, I think they might have something to say about that[1]. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/chin...

Cool story bro.

Me, just like Uyghurs, would prefer to be spied on by the evil empire which DOESN'T rule me.

Uyghurs are ruled by China so they'd rather be spied on by us for sure.

I live in Europe so I'm ruled by US, and therefore would prefer China to spy on me.

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Post by YUMad »

dijit wrote: post #61
microcolonel wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People like to paint enemies of the east while essentially letting the west get away with much more heinous stuff. > It is clearly a double standard. But the answer is to hold the US to account. Not bring more of this hostile crap in. I mean, I think it's the nature of things like this that they are justifiable but not pleasant to suffer from. This is weaponry, not poetry; if theirs is better we suffer, that's it.

Even if you're right it is not perceived that way. It's akin to economic dependence. The thought of Europe depending on Russia (or the USA) for energy/electricity is unfathomable, yet we allow the US in particular to be the "holder" of an enormous part of our economy. IT is literally used by every industry and in some cases is very central to it. (IE; power stations make heavy use of automation and computers with CPU…

Europe does depend on Russia for energy, at least in winter.

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Post by dijit »

YUMad wrote: post #97
dijit wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if you're right it is not perceived that way. It's akin to economic dependence. The thought of Europe depending on Russia (or the USA) for energy/electricity is unfathomable, yet we allow the US in particular to be the "holder" of an enormous part of our economy. IT is literally used by every industry and in some cases is very central to it. (IE; power stations make heavy use of automation and computers with CPU…

Europe does depend on Russia for energy, at least in winter.

In natural gas; https://www.forbes.com/sites/annalisagirardi/2018/12/12/grow...

However there is no strong dependence: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davekeating/2018/07/19/how-depe...

tl;dr: 23% of German power comes from gas; that 35% of that gas comes from Russia. That's a power dependency of roughly 8%.

Personally I don't think that's the same as being held entirely captive by a monopoly country as is the case when it comes to IT.

But, it's a fair point, I'll take it. Replacing 8% of a countries energy input would be difficult, but I would argue that it's not impossible.

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Post by YUMad »

CathayRe wrote: post #12

Nice, Huawei Finally pointed this out, so the next step is hopefully somebody pointing out the difference. There will never be a Snowden in China. You can guarantee their life, or their love one's life will be held hostage. So not only does the "West" ( So to speak ) has a system in place protecting these people, they also have a system to vote them out and elect a new form of government should the ultimate worst com…

You mean the Snowden whose supposed presence on a plane of a Southamerican president made US pressure couple European countries to deny him air passage and in effect force him to land, and then made the police of the country he landed in search his plane?

Insane diplomatic incident.

You are right, USA wouldn't kill him if captured. They would only psychologically torture him for years, like they did with Manning.

Re: Huawei Trolls U.S. on Spy Claims with a Jab at Snowden

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Post by YUMad »

dijit wrote: post #98
YUMad wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe does depend on Russia for energy, at least in winter.

In natural gas; https://www.forbes.com/sites/annalisagirardi/2018/12/12/grow... However there is no strong dependence: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davekeating/2018/07/19/how-depe... tl;dr: 23% of German power comes from gas; that 35% of that gas comes from Russia. That's a power dependency of roughly 8%. Personally I don't think that's the same as being held entirely captive by a monopoly country as is the case when…

> In natural gas; https://www.forbes.com/sites/annalisagirardi/2018/12/12/grow....

> However there is no strong dependence: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davekeating/2018/07/19/how-depe....

> tl;dr: 23% of German power comes from gas; that 35% of that gas comes from Russia. That's a power dependency of roughly 8%.

> Personally I don't think that's the same as being held entirely captive by a monopoly country as is the case when it comes to IT.

> But, it's a fair point, I'll take it.

Dependence used to be worse, this is result of efforts to lower it because Russia was using it as a blackmail tool.

But I'm just nitpicking anyway, it's not the actual topic.

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