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Running a Bakery on Emacs and PostgreSQL

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Re: Running a Bakery on Emacs and PostgreSQL

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a fair amount of low code type web application makers. Google's AppMaker, Quickbase, Zoho Creator, Knack, Airtable, etc. No real comparable open source equivalent for these types of things yet.

i'm not a programmer and i was able to string together an SMS RSVP system for my floor hockey league with zapier, google sheets and twilio.

I would be interested in a write-up of that.

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As people flock to become programmers, as a population we will become increasingly technologically literate. Sooner or later we will enter an age where programming is as second nature as writing. Communication at the end of the day is a way to get people to understand what we want. Programming is very similar only directed at machines, and as machines continue to replace people in trivial (and not so trivial) tasks,…

>And yes, it will be javascript.

In 10 years, Javascript will be as old and forgotten as Perl or (classic) ASP.

Re: Running a Bakery on Emacs and PostgreSQL

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I see that I'm not the only geek who likes baking. When I was a PhD student I seriously considered packing it all in and starting a bakery. I'd just discovered what seemed like the forgotten secret of good bread: time. At the that time in the UK most bakery bread was terrible and bread recipes in books or online called for short rises in warm places. I had to go back to older books to discover the secret. I would hav…

I notice recently that the hipsters over on Metafilter are trying to smear bread bakers as "brogrammers" and "neckbeards". What is wrong with them.

And you are right about the rising time. I do an 8 hour rise. Doctor Carrie Reams said that the rising time breaks down the phytates which in turn releases the calcium into a form that the body can digest. 2 hour rise doesn't do that.

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I'm trying to help my girlfriend manage the inventory for her cactus business. She raises cacti from seed, cuttings, but mostly from wholesale suppliers. She has a square account and store. I’m trying to set up inventory tracking for her. There are couple of things that make her business different than most inventory holding businesses. 1. Generally her inventory increases in value over time because it grows. Over ti…

Have you looked at Retool[0] at all? I don't know if you have a budget > $0, but they are awesome for this sort of thing.

[0] https://tryretool.com

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Frustratingly thin on details about the actual bakery (perhaps not surprising since it's a blog series). All I could figure out is this Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/theloafery/ . It seems he mainly sells at a market.

That's funny, I was wanting more details on the bakery as well. I'm wondering how much of a pay difference he's experiencing going from software developer to bakery owner.

My longtime buddy owns two combination cafe/coffee shops/bakery (2 units total). He called me yesterday looking for an ecommerce strategy job (which he did previously) since the incredibly low wages, and long hours were enough.

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I'm trying to help my girlfriend manage the inventory for her cactus business. She raises cacti from seed, cuttings, but mostly from wholesale suppliers. She has a square account and store. I’m trying to set up inventory tracking for her. There are couple of things that make her business different than most inventory holding businesses. 1. Generally her inventory increases in value over time because it grows. Over ti…

> Custom business apps are tricky. As a programmer it's easy to turn my nose up at excel based solutions, but I totally see how they end up being built. Both of these are true. And most people do not appreciate how tricky niche apps are. When I started writing PartsBox (for myself initially, later grew it into a business at https://partsbox.io/ ) several years ago, I thought I'd be done in a weekend. Nearly 4 years a…

This reminded me of the following from The Tao of Programming[0]:

"There was once a programmer who was attached to the court of the warlord of Wu. The warlord asked the programmer: "Which is easier to design: an accounting package or an operating system?"

"An operating system," replied the programmer.

The warlord uttered an exclamation of disbelief. "Surely an accounting package is trivial next to the complexity of an operating system," he said.

"Not so," said the programmer, "When designing an accounting package, the programmer operates as a mediator between people having different ideas: how it must operate, how its reports must appear, and how it must conform to the tax laws. By contrast, an operating system is not limited by outside appearances. When designing an operating system, the programmer seeks the simplest harmony between machine and ideas. This is why an operating system is easier to design."

The warlord of Wu nodded and smiled. "That is all good and well, but which is easier to debug?"

The programmer made no reply."

[0]: http://www.mit.edu/~xela/tao.html

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I'm trying to help my girlfriend manage the inventory for her cactus business. She raises cacti from seed, cuttings, but mostly from wholesale suppliers. She has a square account and store. I’m trying to set up inventory tracking for her. There are couple of things that make her business different than most inventory holding businesses. 1. Generally her inventory increases in value over time because it grows. Over ti…

Don't knock Microsoft Access for this sort of thing.

Good point -- Access is a great middle ground between kludging something together in a spreadsheet and writing an entire app from scratch.

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This makes me wonder what someone with less computer experience would do, ie if you're not a former computer professional. Sure, open source makes everything rather accessible from a monetary point of view, but you still have to learn things. I almost feel like in the past there were more attempts at making this accessible to the end user, HyperCard, dbase etc, even just BASIC on your 8-bit machine. Nowadays? Excel/G…

> This makes me wonder what someone with less computer experience would do, ie if you're not a former computer professional. One would simply make bread the same way as it has been done for 1000 years! Humans can understand ratios, write stuff down, plan for the future, etc all without org-mode in emacs, databases, and sometimes without even a calculator.

Yup. Bakeries have been run using a pen and paper daybook and the master baker’s skill for centuries. But the calculations are still a pain in the arse, so automating that is a big win. The Bread Matters spreadsheet I based the database schema on was made by someone who was a baker, not a programmer, and for a fixed set of recipes, it’s brilliant. If I hadn’t known the rudiments of RDBMS design I’d have bitten the bullet, extended the sheet and grumbled every time I had to add a new formula.

Re: Running a Bakery on Emacs and PostgreSQL

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I'm going to be the unfortunate hater, but it sounds like he should spend more time on actually learning how to be a baker and less time writing code in this particular case.

This is what I'd imagine most of the people on here would fall into the trap of when the monthly 'I want to quit and work with my hands' post comes up. It's the cliche, I want to disrupt the industry before I even learn it.

My girlfriend works at a bakery and I showed her this post and asked her what she thought about it. None of the bakers need to write down anything or make spreadsheets on how to make a loaf of bread or any of the other products they make every day. This is like having to google 'how to write a for loop' even though you're a programmer.

Bakeries make the same things every day, there's very little change even though as a customer(me) it might look crazy. Knowing recipes and quantities and how to adjust them are the most basic requirements of the job.

Huge props to this guy for doing it though! I hate making negative posts shitting on someones venture. If this is what makes it more fun for him, then keep doing it, and get better.

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