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Re: The Rise of the WeWorking Class

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Post by BucketSort » Thu, Feb 21, 2019, 4:20 PM UTC

BucketSort wrote: post #19

rekshaw wrote: post #9

A recent executive mandate declared the company a “meat-free” organization. When I interviewed McKelvey not long after the Summit, he had a very fuzzy time trying to explain the meaning of the “eight pillars” of its CultureOS and the relationships among them. But when he noticed that the P.R. representative happened to be carrying a single-use plastic water bottle, he admonished her to be mindful of her own consumpti…

When did it become acceptable to straight up disrespect someone to their face for their personal choices? Although I'm 29, I still remember a time where there was at least the pretense of civility. Civility was the oil that kept this machine running smoothly, now it's sputtering left and right. We don't even use formal names like Mr./Ms. as much as we once did, if at all. I felt that was an important part of creating…

Hmm, it seems we need to have some discussions about civility in this country. It seems like people have become confused about its role and why its important. I guess it's easy to lose sight of that when the President goes around calling people childish nicknames.

Re: The Rise of the WeWorking Class

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Post by Aeolun » Thu, Feb 21, 2019, 4:23 PM UTC

BucketSort wrote: post #39

peterwwillis wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Back in the 1960s, if you were black and seated at a lunch counter, a white person would spit in your face. Which was considered perfectly civil for a lot of white people. In some cultures, at various times (including today), the civil thing to do is to berate and even beat a woman if she appears in public without covering her hair or face. To the guy in the story, telling someone to not use the plastic water bottle…

Those were not civil actions for civilly minded people. Of course, people loathe each other behind closed doors and the less respectable people bring it out in public. Let me ask you this, would such an interaction as described in the OP comment happen in Japan? They seem to understand the importance of respect.

They’ve also gotten very adept at showing disrespect without seeming to.

Re: The Rise of the WeWorking Class

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Post by rtx » Thu, Feb 21, 2019, 4:23 PM UTC

jdormit wrote: post #81

porpoisely wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's just paid PR for WeWork. WeWork must have a great PR team and most importantly investors with significant contacts because they get great press. http://paulgraham.com/submarine.html

I don't know, the tone of the article wasn't actually super favorable towards WeWork. The author outright mocked their founder pretty consistently throughout the piece. The vibe I got was more, "WeWorks are nice to work at but they are not as revolutionary as they think they are".

It's deeper, its for people who need it.

Re: The Rise of the WeWorking Class

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Post by Aeolun » Thu, Feb 21, 2019, 4:26 PM UTC

peterwwillis wrote: post #61

BucketSort wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those were not civil actions for civilly minded people. Of course, people loathe each other behind closed doors and the less respectable people bring it out in public. Let me ask you this, would such an interaction as described in the OP comment happen in Japan? They seem to understand the importance of respect.

Based on who's interpretation? Civil actions by civilly-minded people has ranged throughout history, from the early alliances of warring Greek states, to the dogmatic ethics of religion, to the Enlightenment's person-centered morality and identity. As you're familiar with Japan, you must know how in WWII the American population was shocked into supporting the war by stories of Japanese 'savages' cutting off heads of…

> Today, if you use a cell phone on a train in Japan, literally everyone around you will leap towards you to scold you for using your phone

Use your cell phone to call, that is. Using your phone for anything else is perfectly fine.

Re: The Rise of the WeWorking Class

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Post by kazagistar » Thu, Feb 21, 2019, 4:31 PM UTC

BucketSort wrote: post #19

rekshaw wrote: post #9

A recent executive mandate declared the company a “meat-free” organization. When I interviewed McKelvey not long after the Summit, he had a very fuzzy time trying to explain the meaning of the “eight pillars” of its CultureOS and the relationships among them. But when he noticed that the P.R. representative happened to be carrying a single-use plastic water bottle, he admonished her to be mindful of her own consumpti…

When did it become acceptable to straight up disrespect someone to their face for their personal choices? Although I'm 29, I still remember a time where there was at least the pretense of civility. Civility was the oil that kept this machine running smoothly, now it's sputtering left and right. We don't even use formal names like Mr./Ms. as much as we once did, if at all. I felt that was an important part of creating…

Pollution is a personal choice? Maybe people figured out that "personal choice" wad being used as a shield to freely destroy and exploit commons.

Re: The Rise of the WeWorking Class

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Post by farisjarrah » Thu, Feb 21, 2019, 4:33 PM UTC

BucketSort wrote: post #19

rekshaw wrote: post #9

A recent executive mandate declared the company a “meat-free” organization. When I interviewed McKelvey not long after the Summit, he had a very fuzzy time trying to explain the meaning of the “eight pillars” of its CultureOS and the relationships among them. But when he noticed that the P.R. representative happened to be carrying a single-use plastic water bottle, he admonished her to be mindful of her own consumpti…

When did it become acceptable to straight up disrespect someone to their face for their personal choices? Although I'm 29, I still remember a time where there was at least the pretense of civility. Civility was the oil that kept this machine running smoothly, now it's sputtering left and right. We don't even use formal names like Mr./Ms. as much as we once did, if at all. I felt that was an important part of creating…

I think that this is a bit of a fallacy, ever so slightly akin to the ideology behind "Make America Great Again". When was this fabled time where everyone was civil to each other? Does the popular usage of Mr./Mrs. really mean we are being civil? People may have called each other Mr. and Mrs. in the 50's but many people were also extremely judgemental based on religious choices, many people were racist, sexist, etc etc.... I am not really buying this argument. People have always been civil and people have always been bad to each other. One really need to just judge peoples emotional maturity on a case by case basis.

Re: The Rise of the WeWorking Class

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Post by geofft » Thu, Feb 21, 2019, 4:34 PM UTC

burger_moon wrote: post #73

geofft wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article doesn't have enough detail to conclude whether "admonished" meant politely or with disrespect.

In what situation would you walk up to a stranger and tell them to be mindful of themselves for carrying a plastic water bottle and it's not disrespectful. Mind your own business maybe?

When the stranger works for you and you literally own the business and part of the business's PR strategy is environmentalism and the stranger's job is PR and they're talking to s reporter, I would say it's your business and this is appropriate minding.

Re: The Rise of the WeWorking Class

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Post by astura » Thu, Feb 21, 2019, 4:36 PM UTC

BucketSort wrote: post #19

rekshaw wrote: post #9

A recent executive mandate declared the company a “meat-free” organization. When I interviewed McKelvey not long after the Summit, he had a very fuzzy time trying to explain the meaning of the “eight pillars” of its CultureOS and the relationships among them. But when he noticed that the P.R. representative happened to be carrying a single-use plastic water bottle, he admonished her to be mindful of her own consumpti…

When did it become acceptable to straight up disrespect someone to their face for their personal choices? Although I'm 29, I still remember a time where there was at least the pretense of civility. Civility was the oil that kept this machine running smoothly, now it's sputtering left and right. We don't even use formal names like Mr./Ms. as much as we once did, if at all. I felt that was an important part of creating…

It's really ok and not at all "disrespectful" for a company's chief culture officer/cofounder to remind a company PR Rep (and subordinate) to be mindful to display company ethos while at work. She's a PR Rep, her job is literately to represent the company.

When did we become so self centered that we think we can behave however we please while at work under the guise of "it's just a personal choice, man" and any reprimanding of not following company policies is automatically considered "disrespectful?"

Re: The Rise of the WeWorking Class

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Post by scandox » Thu, Feb 21, 2019, 5:11 PM UTC

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #75

scandox wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So would it be fair to say it's like freelancing but you feel like you're part of a corporation? Like freelancing with the social and motivational aspects of working at say Google or whoever?

Presumably without the politics and bullshit you get in a corporation.

Or the actual barrels of cash

Re: The Rise of the WeWorking Class

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Post by black6 » Thu, Feb 21, 2019, 5:53 PM UTC

eeZah7Ux wrote: post #79

porpoisely wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's just paid PR for WeWork. WeWork must have a great PR team and most importantly investors with significant contacts because they get great press. http://paulgraham.com/submarine.html

Disguising PR as articles is really dishonest.

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