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Re: First .dev Domains Go Live

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Post by joshuamorton »

derefr wrote: post #87
stanleydrew wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's your proposed alternative? That generic category names should be disallowed within a TLD? Or that some public or community-driven version of a for-profit service should control the generic names?

Maybe names that have obvious “generic” squatter value—i.e. names that (at the time of their attempted purchase) describe entire verticals, rather than uniquely identifying a business—should be put up for auction rather than being first-come-first-served. (That would also include names that describe a vertical that someone tried to trademark into being the name of a business anyway: pets.com and the like. If that tra…

They are, the domains are reverse-dutch auctioned. Buying a .dev domain today is like ~$10000, it'll be $12 in 2 weeks.

Edit: Normal dutch, not reverse.

Re: First .dev Domains Go Live

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Post by icebraining »

benologist wrote: post #33
sudhirj wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The domains customers aren't tied to Google user accounts. You buy them from the regular registrars like Gandi.net or (heaven forbid) Godaddy, and use them from your dashboards there. You don't have to use a gmail address anywhere.

If you buy them through Google Domains you need your Google account to renew domains, set nameservers etc, which is why these other registrars should be used. This same argument actually dates back years for not using your web host for your domain registrar, because of contrived problems hindering domain transfers.

But Google Domains ain't issuing this TLD; Google Registry is, and they don't even push their sibling service, it's shown as any other.

So I don't see the relevance in their thread.

Re: First .dev Domains Go Live

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Post by mimsee »

derefr wrote: post #87
stanleydrew wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's your proposed alternative? That generic category names should be disallowed within a TLD? Or that some public or community-driven version of a for-profit service should control the generic names?

Maybe names that have obvious “generic” squatter value—i.e. names that (at the time of their attempted purchase) describe entire verticals, rather than uniquely identifying a business—should be put up for auction rather than being first-come-first-served. (That would also include names that describe a vertical that someone tried to trademark into being the name of a business anyway: pets.com and the like. If that tra…

Apple.com?

Re: First .dev Domains Go Live

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Post by artursapek »

benologist wrote: post #33
sudhirj wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The domains customers aren't tied to Google user accounts. You buy them from the regular registrars like Gandi.net or (heaven forbid) Godaddy, and use them from your dashboards there. You don't have to use a gmail address anywhere.

If you buy them through Google Domains you need your Google account to renew domains, set nameservers etc, which is why these other registrars should be used. This same argument actually dates back years for not using your web host for your domain registrar, because of contrived problems hindering domain transfers.

In addition to using another registrar, it's generally a good idea to use single-purpose email accounts not associated with your identity to log in to places like Gandi and Namecheap.

Re: First .dev Domains Go Live

#95

Post by C1sc0cat »

dragonwriter wrote: post #59
C1sc0cat wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to work for a registry, and ICANN had very strict escrow rules for registrys'. This was for a real TLD but I suspect that there is something similar for vanity domains.

The new gTLDs are just as much “real TLDs” to ICANN as the older gTLDs and ccTLDs.

The original tld expansion was a lot more involved than ponying up your $250,0000 from what I recall.

Re: First .dev Domains Go Live

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Post by marksomnian »

TheDong wrote: post #89
ianai wrote: post #52

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Probably the former as it doesn’t require as much aggrandizement. I wonder whether a different approach would work. Instead of basing TLD name spacing on nebulous terms (com,net,org,io,edu,etc) create a naming system that better reflects the real world. The abstracted terms lead to clashing. So addressing actually reflects physical addressing. There’s only ever going to be one company at Apple’s corporate address. No…

We could just give everyone who wants a domain a UUID. My site could be 'uuid://09953e01-8164-4e40-8504-ed5507b50b03'. This seems to solve all of your complaints. No clashing, reflects the real world (names are all meaningless is reality, and physical locations are nebulous). > There’s only ever going to be one company at Apple’s corporate address. On the other hand, there are corporate addresses that have many compa…

> They were created so people didn't have to memorize ipv4 addresses

New problem: memorising a UUID is even harder than memorising an IP address. Someone will eventually invent a DNS for the UUID-space, and we'll have this problem all over again.

Re: First .dev Domains Go Live

#97

Post by TheDong »

marksomnian wrote: post #13

There is one thing that annoys me about generic TLDs like .dev, .website, .cloud, .network etc. For example, Salesforce have https://crm.dev - are they the only CRM in the world? Hell no, but they're the biggest, so they can be the only one in the .dev space. Same with workers.dev.

> There is one thing that annoys me about generic TLDs like .dev, .website, .cloud, .network

And this doesn't annoy you about '.com' or '.org'?

'pets.com' is owned by petsmart, and they're sure not the only pet store. Practically every generic sounding '.com' has been taken and has the "issue" you cite. 'x.org' was registered in the early 90s, and the Xorg foundation certainly isn't the only 'X' out there.

It's a little too late to protest now, this problem has existed since the dawn of the domain name system.

Re: First .dev Domains Go Live

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Post by Arcuru »

kickopotomus wrote: post #73
CydeWeys wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Minor correction, registrations are never free. Come 2019-02-28 16:00:00Z, they will be available at the base price. Registrars set their own prices, so depending on which registrar you're using, expect that to be around $12-20/yr (including the initial year).

Do you happen to have a source for the 16:00 UTC base price switch? I am not seeing a specific time on any of the linked pages.

The schedule is documented here: https://domains.google/tld/dev/

Re: First .dev Domains Go Live

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Post by benologist »

icebraining wrote: post #92
benologist wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you buy them through Google Domains you need your Google account to renew domains, set nameservers etc, which is why these other registrars should be used. This same argument actually dates back years for not using your web host for your domain registrar, because of contrived problems hindering domain transfers.

But Google Domains ain't issuing this TLD; Google Registry is, and they don't even push their sibling service, it's shown as any other. So I don't see the relevance in their thread.

Everything I said is true for Google Registry too... and anywhere else Google sells domains. They each should be ensuring domain portability for their respective customers and so far they're not doing that.

Re: First .dev Domains Go Live

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Post by dragonwriter »

btgeekboy wrote: post #77
dragonwriter wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

localhost is reserved for a very different purpose, though .local is a reserved pseudo-TLD for a purpose encompassing much of what was suggest by GP for .dev.

.local is for multicast. Don’t use it for anything else unless you want a headache.

That's right,.local was a bad suggestions ; while the notional purpose is specifically residential, the local-use behavior that people are looking for is associated more with the reserved domain .home.arpa if .test isn't desired (.test is technically for testing DNS-related code.)
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