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Data leak reveals China is tracking almost 2.6m people in Xinjiang

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Re: Data leak reveals China is tracking almost 2.6m people in Xinjiang

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Post by jryle70 »

bigmonads wrote: post #45
nabla9 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China also tolerates civil unrest and civil disobedience as long as it's not directly challenging the authority of central government. Official name for it is "mass incidents" or "mass frustration". There are almost 200,000 of these incidents every year. Several of them grow into large demonstrations with barricades, sit-ins, and rioting. They are usually reactions against come companies, local government, land seizu…

China could probably go much further. In America, you're shut down and surveilled for demanding systemic changes to the system (just try to build a movement in the United States for a change of government; see where that gets you). Much of that surveillance is automatic, and fed into police threat scores and FBI databases based off of online conversations (like this one) and other information (including financials, p…

> In America, you're shut down and surveilled for demanding systemic changes to the system (just try to build a movement in the United States for a change of government; see where that gets you)

Have you tried? Did you know that the United States communist party has been in existence for a century? [0]

> (says, farming industry practices around the treatment of animals) - this will get you on terrorist watchlists

I'm not aware PETA is on terrorist watchlist.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_USA

Re: Data leak reveals China is tracking almost 2.6m people in Xinjiang

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Post by onetimemanytime »

China views this is a matter of NatSec. Right or wrong they view it this way and states spare nothing at this. The extremely bad news is that China has virtually unlimited resources, in money, tech and manpower. And no one can stop them. Not via war, not via UN. Even if they hire a minder for every 2-3 Muslims the Chinese Gov will probably do it. But tech has made their job very easy.

My guess is that they think that by flooding the place with Han Chinese and making their (Muslims) lives miserable, they will break them.

Re: Data leak reveals China is tracking almost 2.6m people in Xinjiang

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Post by anoncoward111 »

onetimemanytime wrote: post #92

China views this is a matter of NatSec. Right or wrong they view it this way and states spare nothing at this. The extremely bad news is that China has virtually unlimited resources, in money, tech and manpower. And no one can stop them. Not via war, not via UN. Even if they hire a minder for every 2-3 Muslims the Chinese Gov will probably do it. But tech has made their job very easy. My guess is that they think that…

And they probably will, sadly. It just takes time. If you remove their cultural identity through mixing of cultures, erasure of "non-sanctioned" cultures, then over time it will happen.

When displaying your non-Han-ness becomes something that will lead to you being imprisoned or denied jobs/housing/food, gradually all that will remain is Han.

Re: Data leak reveals China is tracking almost 2.6m people in Xinjiang

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Post by anoncoward111 »

pizza wrote: post #47
lainga wrote: post #3

That's roughly 10% of the population (23M). At its peak, the Stasi in the DDR had files on about 30% of the East German population.

The population of East Germany was 18 million in 1950 and 16 million in 1990. On the same order of magnitude. But I think it would be much easier for China to keep tabs on millions nowadays than the Stasi back then.

Completely agree. If I was sadistic enough, a few web scrapers and .csv files and some workers on fiverr could keep enough tabs on millions of people so as to be scary.

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Post by _ptgt »

onetimemanytime wrote: post #92

China views this is a matter of NatSec. Right or wrong they view it this way and states spare nothing at this. The extremely bad news is that China has virtually unlimited resources, in money, tech and manpower. And no one can stop them. Not via war, not via UN. Even if they hire a minder for every 2-3 Muslims the Chinese Gov will probably do it. But tech has made their job very easy. My guess is that they think that…

Eh, just because they throw the broad label "national security" on the project doesn't mean it has limitless value to them.

At the end of the day, the CCP is rather obviously optimizing for maintaining its rule. An economic slowdown caused by multilateral UN sanctions would pose a far greater threat to the CCP rule than the Uighurs ever have.

The problem is that the world generally doesn't pay that much attention to global human rights issues and citizens of developed countries currently care more about the money they're making from China than its human rights (and other) violations anyway.

Agree with your second paragraph though.

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Post by [deleted] »

sctb wrote: post #65
bigmonads wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reminds me of the United State's lockdown of Middle Easterners, and the surveillance police state that got legally empowered by post-9/11 doctrine.

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Re: Data leak reveals China is tracking almost 2.6m people in Xinjiang

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Post by onetimemanytime »

_ptgt wrote: post #95
onetimemanytime wrote: post #92

China views this is a matter of NatSec. Right or wrong they view it this way and states spare nothing at this. The extremely bad news is that China has virtually unlimited resources, in money, tech and manpower. And no one can stop them. Not via war, not via UN. Even if they hire a minder for every 2-3 Muslims the Chinese Gov will probably do it. But tech has made their job very easy. My guess is that they think that…

Eh, just because they throw the broad label "national security" on the project doesn't mean it has limitless value to them. At the end of the day, the CCP is rather obviously optimizing for maintaining its rule. An economic slowdown caused by multilateral UN sanctions would pose a far greater threat to the CCP rule than the Uighurs ever have. The problem is that the world generally doesn't pay that much attention to…

Sanctions...who's asking for them? No one. China would take everyone's econ down. USA placed sanctions on Iran, BUT, Saudis agreed to produce more oil for example.

With the amount of money China has and the size of their "enemy" limitless is the right word. Let's not forget that China has built 50 MILLION apartments just to do something. https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=china+emp... All they have to do is blacklist them: behave like a Muslim and your doors are essentially closed...no jobs, credit etc etc.

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Post by [deleted] »

alexandercrohde wrote: post #74
bigmonads wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China does seem to be emulating the West - not it's books, but its policies.

1. No, China is leading the way 2. Why do about 20% of comments about China's inhumane activities need to drag in an unrelated region. It almost comes across as a deliberate attempt to muddy the issue with an irrational/irrelevant regional/nationalistic divide.

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Re: Data leak reveals China is tracking almost 2.6m people in Xinjiang

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Post by bortacans »

anoncoward111 wrote: post #93
onetimemanytime wrote: post #92

China views this is a matter of NatSec. Right or wrong they view it this way and states spare nothing at this. The extremely bad news is that China has virtually unlimited resources, in money, tech and manpower. And no one can stop them. Not via war, not via UN. Even if they hire a minder for every 2-3 Muslims the Chinese Gov will probably do it. But tech has made their job very easy. My guess is that they think that…

And they probably will, sadly. It just takes time. If you remove their cultural identity through mixing of cultures, erasure of "non-sanctioned" cultures, then over time it will happen. When displaying your non-Han-ness becomes something that will lead to you being imprisoned or denied jobs/housing/food, gradually all that will remain is Han.

There are definitely other, more humane ways to make the indigenous population join the melting pot. China should really look at how Hawaiians were integrated. aside from the initial war, there wasn’t that much bloodshed.

Re: Data leak reveals China is tracking almost 2.6m people in Xinjiang

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Post by bortacans »

westiseast wrote: post #57
bigmonads wrote: post #40

I don't get if this is supposed to be a scandal? This sounds like a mild version of what we've built in the United States.

Why have you made ~5-6 comments in this thread, and all about some version of whataboutism?

When is it “whataboutism” and when it is “perspective?”
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