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Facebook will shut down its controversial market research app for iOS

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Re: Facebook will shut down its controversial market research app for iOS

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Could an admin explain why the original news item, previously the highest voted of the first page, was pushed to the third page suddenly? Just wondering if it was algorithmic or manually changed.

Do you mean this post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19031055? The standard here is to have one submission about a particular news story at a time on the front page. That one, now 15 hours old, is near the top of the second page, while this one is on the front page.

Re: Facebook will shut down its controversial market research app for iOS

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN also heavily penalises posts which have a high number of comments.

Right, but relative to the number of upvotes the submission does not have that many comments. And it fell just on the start of the workday (right?), see http://hnrankings.info/19031055/ . I am aware that's not a wanted discussion topic normally, but if behaviour related to an article about dirty behaviour smells dirty it feels a bit relevant.

It's best if you email us at hn@ycombinator.com, because we can look at the actual data. This is mentioned in the guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

Re: Facebook will shut down its controversial market research app for iOS

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If I tried something like this I’d have my developer account totally revoked and all my apps pulled; but I can’t imagine that happening to Facebook. It makes sense but it’s interesting that there’s a systemic de-risking of the way big players operate while simultaneously being in a position to do the most damage.

From a certain size on they need each other. Apple can’t afford to lose Facebook and Facebook can’t afford to lose apple.

God I wish Apple had the balls of suspending the developer account and withdrawing the Facebook app from the app store. It's infuriating that most likely Facebook will again get away with a slap on the wrist. How will they make the next morally relevant decision?

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I struggle to see how software developers can willingly do work on a project that goes against all values and morales!

I have previously worked with developers in start-ups and was amazed to hear some of their backgrounds. One previously worked for a company that bundles spyware with freeware MSI products. Another worked for an airline agency, where they advertise fake a discount on tickets when the price was in fact higher than market. Needless to say, their actions outside the work environment matched their actions inside.

Re: Facebook will shut down its controversial market research app for iOS

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> Finally, less than 5 percent of the people who chose to participate in this market research program were teens. All of them with signed parental consent forms.

"Your honor, I swear! He clicked on the button saying he was over 18!!! How was my porn site supposed to know he was lying?"

If Facebook wanted to do something useful, it could devote some of that $400 billion empire into identity verification and ways to prevent deceptive practices online. Something that goes beyond the Stone Age practices like SSN and Captchas that we rely on today.

Re: Facebook will shut down its controversial market research app for iOS

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It's still on android. At least this reveals that the move is not about the users.

They probably took it down because as the original app it violated the App Store’s guidelines on data collection. But they have not been forced. The apple gate keeping here is terrible.

> They probably took it down because as the original app it violated the App Store’s guidelines on data collection.

Or maybe Apple took it down because - as you said - it violated the store guidelines. Or Apple just encouraged them to do it by themselves (for a better PR). So effectively, they were forced.

Re: Facebook will shut down its controversial market research app for iOS

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I struggle to see how software developers can willingly do work on a project that goes against all values and morales! I have previously worked with developers in start-ups and was amazed to hear some of their backgrounds. One previously worked for a company that bundles spyware with freeware MSI products. Another worked for an airline agency, where they advertise fake a discount on tickets when the price was in fact…

> I struggle to see how software developers can willingly do work on a project that goes against all values and morales!

Personally, this doesn't really go against my morals or values. They installed the app. No one forced them to. Not everyone has the same set of morals and values you do. If it's not illegal and no one is harmed. I don't care so much.

Re: Facebook will shut down its controversial market research app for iOS

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I struggle to see how software developers can willingly do work on a project that goes against all values and morales! I have previously worked with developers in start-ups and was amazed to hear some of their backgrounds. One previously worked for a company that bundles spyware with freeware MSI products. Another worked for an airline agency, where they advertise fake a discount on tickets when the price was in fact…

I struggle to see how software developers can willingly do work on a project that goes against all values and morales!

A $200k/year graduate starting salary is enough to get a lot of people to set their values to one side for a while.

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