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Re: Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube

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What really bugs me is when a video literally has "Episode 18" in the name, but somehow the recommendation list on the right side fails to find the one with "Episode 19". But if I want to go watch Episode 5 again or jump ahead to Episode 26, it's happy to help. Awesome.

What would be even better is if they had somewhere that you could just specify what episode it is in a series rather than it try to guess based on titles

Re: Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The way the algorithm pushes steadily more radical content is really concerning. Try making a completely fresh browser profile and deliberately browsing around right-leaning or "anti-SJW" channels and see how long it takes before YouTube starts pushing videos about white genocide and the impending destruction of western civilization by the muslim hordes (not very long in my experience). edit: I just tried this again…

> The way the algorithm pushes steadily more radical content is really concerning. Try making a completely fresh browser profile and deliberately browsing around right-leaning or "anti-SJW" channels and see how long it takes before YouTube starts pushing videos about white genocide and the impending destruction of western civilization by the muslim hordes (not very long in my experience). Seems like they're trying to…

It sounds like they are overfitting the recommendations.

They really need to get the users explict preference, rather than trying to infer it from what videos they watch, as that data is tainted by the recommendation engine.

Also they have killed the annotation system that most video creators have used to manually recommend videos to their viewers, which is probably going to cause even more overfitting of recommendations.

Re: Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube

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post #91

What really bugs me is when a video literally has "Episode 18" in the name, but somehow the recommendation list on the right side fails to find the one with "Episode 19". But if I want to go watch Episode 5 again or jump ahead to Episode 26, it's happy to help. Awesome.

What would be even better is if they had somewhere that you could just specify what episode it is in a series rather than it try to guess based on titles

Youtube creators already have the ability to create series inside playlists.

Example: The Slow Mo Guys channel has a "Planet Slow Mo" series: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbIZ6k-SE9Shmj0Uvxtrv...

Re: Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube

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I would love to see youtube add more videos to the recommended section. Right now I believe the limit is 18. When you load the homepage it shows you 12 tiles and you can click "show more" to display 6 more for a total of 18.

Yeah, this is the most annoying thing for me too. They have an endless stream of recommendations if you go to www.youtube.com/feed/recommended , so why not put it in the main page?

I can only assume that it's an intentional marketing thing to get people to watch other things.

Re: Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube

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It's worth noting that this blog post appeared less than 24 hours after BuzzFeed News posted an article explicitly highlighting the conspiracy theories in the recommended section: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/carolineodonovan/down-y... I helped contribute to that article, feel free to ask any questions!

Have you investigated their rabbit hole for children? YT for Kids simply needs to die. They are evil.

Elsagate videos would be a good next step; I suppose they wouldn't be covered by YT's announcement.

Re: Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube

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What really bugs me is when a video literally has "Episode 18" in the name, but somehow the recommendation list on the right side fails to find the one with "Episode 19". But if I want to go watch Episode 5 again or jump ahead to Episode 26, it's happy to help. Awesome.

I wish they would fix their iPad app. I'm learning to play guitar with the JustingGuitar channel. Justin has created playlists that match his book that I bought. But as soon as I play a video from that list, it seems to lose that context.

Plus, on the iOS app there's no way to search within a channel or playlist. If I want to find Justin's lessons on a Nirvana song I have to search "justin guitar nirvana" rather than just "nirvana" when I'm on that channel.

Re: Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube

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But who gets to decide what counts as a "conspiracy"? It's very easy to suppress true and inconvenient information by attaching some vague and undesirable label to it, e.g., the Soviets abusing mental health diagnoses to silence dissidents. I'd rather have conspiracy videos in my feed than give the YouTube content moderation people the power to decide what counts as conspiracy.

I know what you mean, not I can't think of any other way I would fully trust. What committee would l trust? I suppose the only thing we can do is to require more transparency.

Re: Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube

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post #91

What really bugs me is when a video literally has "Episode 18" in the name, but somehow the recommendation list on the right side fails to find the one with "Episode 19". But if I want to go watch Episode 5 again or jump ahead to Episode 26, it's happy to help. Awesome.

What would be even better is if they had somewhere that you could just specify what episode it is in a series rather than it try to guess based on titles

Sometimes they're in a playlist, but sometimes I'm not watching via the playlist. Like if I know that episode 19 is the next one I need to watch, I go in search and find "Super cool series episode 19", and then I watch it.

I don't search for the playlist, then go to the playlist and scroll through to the episode I want, then pick it.

But then since I didn't go to the playlist, now YouTube can't recommend the incredibly obvious next video in the series.

Re: Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube

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YouTube suggestions are worthless now. Used to be if you were watching "Jack cooks a 4 course meal part 2" the recommended videos would be "Jack cooks a 4 course meal part 3", Part 1, and some other videos by the same user. Now it's a host of other unrelated bullshit.

it changed from being “users who watched this video watched X next” to “You would like Y videos based on your watch history” (somewhat biasing the first 2 or 3 to be related to current video)

I like that it seems heavily based on the watch history because it gives me some control.

In general I find the selction on the homepage to be useful, however it does take some work as I regularly remove a lot of random things.

I also open random videos in a private window to keep my watch history more focused.

So it works fairly well for me, bringing up videos from channels I like that I haven't seen before... but it takes effort to get it to work for me. So it is arguably not very good for a typical user.

Re: Continuing our work to improve recommendations on YouTube

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It does seem to be getting better, for a long while I had to make sure to clear my history of any conservative leaning videos or I'd end up down a rabbit hole. Too many and all of a sudden its bloody flat earth videos and other insane conspiracies. Made it very difficult to try and watch a balanced set of videos.

The way the algorithm pushes steadily more radical content is really concerning. Try making a completely fresh browser profile and deliberately browsing around right-leaning or "anti-SJW" channels and see how long it takes before YouTube starts pushing videos about white genocide and the impending destruction of western civilization by the muslim hordes (not very long in my experience). edit: I just tried this again…

Interestingly, YouTube actually recommends liberal content at a rate substantially higher than conservative content. Centrists content links to liberal content about three times more frequently than it links to conservative content. Is there evidence to corroborate the claim that YouTube is pushing people to extreme content? The data seems to indicate otherwise.

https://www.thepostmillennial.com/does-youtube-facilitate-ri...

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