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Re: Google gives Wikimedia millions

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Post by circlefavshape »

Retric wrote: post #85
circlefavshape wrote: post #73

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You're wrong on both counts here - nobody gets funded to review articles (it's done by volunteers), and there are nearly 6 million articles in English alone

Saying they don’t do something does not mean they can’t do something. 6 million / 30 minutes per article every 5 years at 15$ per hour ~= 9 million per year. Wikipedia pulled in 55 million in 2017 from North America making this a major but affordable expenditure.

The Wikimedia Foundation is not wikipedia. Paying people to edit would be a fundamental change in the ethos of the whole movement

Re: Google gives Wikimedia millions

#92

Post by Retric »

circlefavshape wrote: post #91
Retric wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Saying they don’t do something does not mean they can’t do something. 6 million / 30 minutes per article every 5 years at 15$ per hour ~= 9 million per year. Wikipedia pulled in 55 million in 2017 from North America making this a major but affordable expenditure.

The Wikimedia Foundation is not wikipedia. Paying people to edit would be a fundamental change in the ethos of the whole movement

Wikipedia’s fund us banners go to Wikimedia, which then spends a small fraction of that on Wikipedia. Calling them separate is at best a shell game, but more realistically actively deceptive.

Allowing public edits is different from not paying editors. They can have a small staff of super users which only revert or remove content while remaining a Wiki.

Re: Google gives Wikimedia millions

#93

Post by googlmapper »

Doctor_Fegg wrote: post #67
lern_too_spel wrote: post #46

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Apple is replacing OSM and all other sources with its own private maps. https://www.justinobeirne.com/new-apple-maps/

That article is not remotely the whole story. Apple uses OSM data in many parts of the world where their own mapping efforts will likely never reach. Mr O’Beirne’s articles are very US-centric.

O'Beirne's article is US-centric because Apple's rollout is US-centric (California, Nevada, and Hawaii only for now).

Re: Google gives Wikimedia millions

#94

Post by strainer »

paradoxparalax wrote: post #60
strainer wrote: post #31

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I have marvelled at the quality of WPs music theory articles where I think different outlooks are well tolerated and accepted. 8 years ago I tried to fix WP philosophies entry on the concept of "Appeal to Nature" and was even joined by an experienced academic but our efforts[1] where removed by admin/users wishing to describe the topic as a kind of simple fallacious trope[2]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?…

that's saddening. I remember when there was no Internet, and you never hear about it will possibly exist (where I was back then) and then when it some day became something I just hear about and had the dream to use someday and see working with my own eyes. And then I though Internet will bring the political (r) evolution that will make humanity human, and that it will have all the Knowledge of All the Scientists from…

I still think it is a matter of time before communication and analytical technology overcomes the difficulties which perpetuate human conflict and environmental destruction. Any day now... :)

Re: Google gives Wikimedia millions

#95

Post by lern_too_spel »

Doctor_Fegg wrote: post #67
lern_too_spel wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is replacing OSM and all other sources with its own private maps. https://www.justinobeirne.com/new-apple-maps/

That article is not remotely the whole story. Apple uses OSM data in many parts of the world where their own mapping efforts will likely never reach. Mr O’Beirne’s articles are very US-centric.

> Apple uses OSM data in many parts of the world where their own mapping efforts will likely never reach.

And contributes nothing to those, instead opting to build their own maps in the important markets.

Re: Google gives Wikimedia millions

#96

Post by paradoxparalax »

strainer wrote: post #94
paradoxparalax wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that's saddening. I remember when there was no Internet, and you never hear about it will possibly exist (where I was back then) and then when it some day became something I just hear about and had the dream to use someday and see working with my own eyes. And then I though Internet will bring the political (r) evolution that will make humanity human, and that it will have all the Knowledge of All the Scientists from…

I still think it is a matter of time before communication and analytical technology overcomes the difficulties which perpetuate human conflict and environmental destruction. Any day now... :)

By that time, The Brake of Monopoly of Communications by the wealth people and democratic power over the communications by the poorest is what will/would(not clear) overcome the difficulties, It is taking too long to happen, but my theory still holds. ;)

:Besides: "The devil in hell is smart not because he is The Devil, but because he is old"

pos-clarification:

I Still find your "communication and analytical technology" kind of very weak as a definition, but let's just stop here, better. While still time to edit, and now if you don't want to stop feel free, Let's call things by their real names. because there is no need to be polite towards pure Snark ,what is not polite as well. so...

This definition of yours : "communication and analytical technology"

...Is Not just very weak, is utterly Bullshit. And I don't like to waste time with people who's Cognitive Capacity allows himself to reason in such a clueless way, So I don't know if that manure you call a definition is arrived from Malice or just Ignorance itself, but it is Manure in both the 2 only possible cases.

And you yourself, in your cluelessly, ( The Irony of The destiny) This is a quote from you, yourself, from your Github:

"Fancy is a physics computing project developed with fanciful ideas of creating a programmatic sense of fantasy for the virtual minds of the coming AI revolution"

LOL ( it means I am laughing a lot here)

"coming AI revolution"

Anytime now, "Genious", I see it at the corner already. Lol. ;)

By the way, do you know what Snark is?

...look the dictionary and then read that your comment again, then you will know what Snark is. If you don't find it , look for Sarcasm, it's the same. "En passant" , you can look the other words you don't know the meaning in my comment,

And I am sure you don't know the meaning of too many words, by the way you write in your Github, imagine the way you write in a random insignificant comment in a Topic that was already dead long time before you make your clueless comment.

Re: Google gives Wikimedia millions

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Post by paradoxparalax »

paradoxparalax wrote: post #96
strainer wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still think it is a matter of time before communication and analytical technology overcomes the difficulties which perpetuate human conflict and environmental destruction. Any day now... :)

By that time, The Brake of Monopoly of Communications by the wealth people and democratic power over the communications by the poorest is what will/would(not clear) overcome the difficulties, It is taking too long to happen, but my theory still holds. ;) :Besides: "The devil in hell is smart not because he is The Devil, but because he is old" pos-clarification: I Still find your "communication and analytical technolo…

PLEASE IGNORE AND DISREGARD AND DO NOT GIVE ANY CREDIT TO MY ABOVE COMMENT BECAUSE:

The above comment was made by someone Insane, I mean, Me myself, and some doctors will happily tell you I have Schizophrenia[1],

...(I don't exactly agree here, but they are doctors)...

...among other sometimes impairing Mental diseases,

...what brings me even close to what is called Tourette Syndrome[2] ( in a mild form, with mild ticks, sure, but this one I have to agree with the doctors)...

well, for sure, I went over the top, was before my first coffee of the day. Never comment before the first coffee. But I really assumed strainer was being Snarky. So, if you were being serious and not snarky in your comment, strainer, sorry, and really sorry, but it is too late to delete that now.

And if someone has the power to delete my Rant/comment, please do it as soon as possible, because it was not fair. Please Dang, or someone. I was not fair for him.

Not because of me, please note, I don't care for this account, It is not only Anonymous, is full of bits of private/personal misinformation, and wrong leads, and false clues[3], that I spread intentionally, exactly to anonymize myself.

( because Moriarty, the enemy of sherlock, was stupid and his decoy bits always converged, instead of diverge, that is what a decoy anonymizing bit/crum is)...

But is not fair for strainer. His account wasn't anonymous, and I made a big mistake of talking to HIM (adhominen) and I am not usually like this, was lack of morning coffee, really.

So I am very sorry for that, Strainer, really sorry, Mental Health is not my strong point, and I see now that your comment was made in Good Faith,

and I am sorry for assuming you were being snark, and Im sorry for the astronomically adhominen, Insane, batshit-crazy slip mistake I made.

Sorry Strainer, I see you are a nice guy, I hope no bad feelings left, and I really apologize , and who knows, maybe we drink a beer someday...I pay.

1- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia

2-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourette_syndrome

3- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring

Re: Google gives Wikimedia millions

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Post by [deleted] »

paradoxparalax wrote: post #54
dorfsmay wrote: post #51

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Or somebody makes one top 40 song and has a long article including which highscool they went yo, but a university professor who wrote a language like Clojure, used by thousands of companies, isn't notable enough!

What can make us less sad is that quality of people who notes the Professor is also important, not only quantity. There was a fun story I can't find here on HN right now (Algolia is pretty good to search now , but Im out of coffee), On how the guys who make OpenBSD(If I recall) use/used(not clear) CVS instead of GIT to filter out people they didn't ultimately wished to have the attention from.

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Re: Google gives Wikimedia millions

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Post by rmc »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #95
Doctor_Fegg wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That article is not remotely the whole story. Apple uses OSM data in many parts of the world where their own mapping efforts will likely never reach. Mr O’Beirne’s articles are very US-centric.

> Apple uses OSM data in many parts of the world where their own mapping efforts will likely never reach. And contributes nothing to those, instead opting to build their own maps in the important markets.

Apple does pay people to make edits to OSM: https://github.com/osmlab/appledata/

Re: Google gives Wikimedia millions

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Post by circlefavshape »

Retric wrote: post #92
circlefavshape wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Wikimedia Foundation is not wikipedia. Paying people to edit would be a fundamental change in the ethos of the whole movement

Wikipedia’s fund us banners go to Wikimedia, which then spends a small fraction of that on Wikipedia. Calling them separate is at best a shell game, but more realistically actively deceptive. Allowing public edits is different from not paying editors. They can have a small staff of super users which only revert or remove content while remaining a Wiki.

> Calling them separate is at best a shell game, but more realistically actively deceptive.

It's neither. The volunteer community is wikipedia, and the foundation exists to serve it, not the other way around. If the foundation paid staff members to edit there would be uproar in the community

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