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Re: Dbeaver – Multi-platform database tool

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Post by tomnipotent »

meddlepal wrote: post #87
tomnipotent wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> rather expensive at $199 Compared to a six-figure salary? Developers tools are a bargain for what we get out of them.

Developers are hands down one of the cheapest group of customers to deal with. I've been shelling out for IntelliJ Ultimate for years because I want to support JetBrains. At this point I think I could actually get away with just the open source Community Edition, but it's worth paying them for the effort in my mind.

I love JetBrains, ever since I discovered ReSharper when I was still active in C# some 10 years go. Now I use PyCharm, DataGrip and GoLand on a daily basis and am happy to throw my money at them.

Re: Dbeaver – Multi-platform database tool

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Post by sqlcook »

neosavvy wrote: post #57

How is no one talking about https://www.jetbrains.com/datagrip/ These guys actually fix their bugs. It works on every database known to humans, and also does nearly everything DBeaver appears to do.

Nice if you’re only connecting to a single instance, nightmare if you have multiple. DbVisualizer is better imho.

Re: Dbeaver – Multi-platform database tool

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Post by nerdponx »

meddlepal wrote: post #87
tomnipotent wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> rather expensive at $199 Compared to a six-figure salary? Developers tools are a bargain for what we get out of them.

Developers are hands down one of the cheapest group of customers to deal with. I've been shelling out for IntelliJ Ultimate for years because I want to support JetBrains. At this point I think I could actually get away with just the open source Community Edition, but it's worth paying them for the effort in my mind.

Is it common to buy your own tools in other skilled trades (when you aren't a freelancer)?

I don't mind buying good software, but it feels weird for me to pay in order to make my employer more money. It's not like the productivity boost I get from buying Datagrip is going to get me a raise or a better job.

That said, for software I use in my personal life I can and do pay, and I think we should all be more in the habit of either buying non-trial versions (Sublime, PyCharm) or making small monthly donations (Neovim, iTerm, regex101, QMK, et al).

Re: Dbeaver – Multi-platform database tool

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Post by doxavore »

rolleiflex wrote: post #85
doxavore wrote: post #77

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This. The JetBrains licensing model is great. Subscribe to get updates, with a perpetual fallback license for the last version when your subscription lapsed. Their old versions also continue to work across OS upgrades, etc. If you subscribe, the annual fee decreases substantially for the first few years. This is nothing like Adobe's Creative Cloud.

I thought their fallback perpetual license is actually for the version you had when you purchased it, not for the version that was available when your subscription lapsed? Not sure if they changed this recently - I stopped following them when they switched to subscription with fairly onerous terms (which they rectified after backlash to ‘mediocre’, but never to ‘fair value’).

You're correct in that the current terms are a result of community backlash, or at least that's how I remember it. What would you consider "fair value" for such a tool? And does that include any period of updates and enhancements?

Re: Dbeaver – Multi-platform database tool

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Post by hnmonkey »

tomnipotent wrote: post #76
yumraj wrote: post #61

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Perhaps, but DBeaver is free while Datagrid is not, in fact it is rather expensive at $199. For many people, including me perhaps, something like DBeaver is good enough since it's free.

> rather expensive at $199 Compared to a six-figure salary? Developers tools are a bargain for what we get out of them.

Yes, for some $200 is still a very non-trivial amount of money to spend on something. If your situation makes this a no-brainer for you, you're in a better spot than many that make 6 figures.

Re: Dbeaver – Multi-platform database tool

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Post by ggregoire »

tomnipotent wrote: post #76
yumraj wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps, but DBeaver is free while Datagrid is not, in fact it is rather expensive at $199. For many people, including me perhaps, something like DBeaver is good enough since it's free.

> rather expensive at $199 Compared to a six-figure salary? Developers tools are a bargain for what we get out of them.

Do you actually think people outside of the US make six-figure salary?

Re: Dbeaver – Multi-platform database tool

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Post by dahdum »

nerdponx wrote: post #93
meddlepal wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Developers are hands down one of the cheapest group of customers to deal with. I've been shelling out for IntelliJ Ultimate for years because I want to support JetBrains. At this point I think I could actually get away with just the open source Community Edition, but it's worth paying them for the effort in my mind.

Is it common to buy your own tools in other skilled trades (when you aren't a freelancer)? I don't mind buying good software, but it feels weird for me to pay in order to make my employer more money. It's not like the productivity boost I get from buying Datagrip is going to get me a raise or a better job. That said, for software I use in my personal life I can and do pay, and I think we should all be more in the hab…

Mechanics are often required to buy their own tools. Higher end chefs are expected buy their own knives. Machinists are expected to buy many of their own instruments.

It’s not universal but definitely not uncommon.

Re: Dbeaver – Multi-platform database tool

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Post by pedrocx486 »

40four wrote: post #89

I stared using Dbeaver a couple months ago, after looking around for an alternative to HeidiSQL on my Windows 10 laptop at work. Used HeidiSQl for a long time but got fed up with issues with it freezing or crashing, especially when switching DB connections. Dbeaver has been fantastic! Has some feautures Heidi didn't have, very stable & better looking UI. Thumbs up from me, definitely worth giving a try!

Nice to see someone that used HeidiSQL. I'm on the same boat. It feels like an abandoned project. I guess it's finally time to install DBeaver and say goodbye to Heidi.
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