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Why Is Storage on Kubernetes So Hard?

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Re: Why Is Storage on Kubernetes So Hard?

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For free! Good one. Cause’ that’s whats really happening... right? With a straight face? I was certain I had nothing more for you, but this is too much fun! You clearly don’t grasp the difference between vertical and horizontal scalability which means you have never been subjected to a bunch of scenarios requiring the latter. Dinosaurs taking the p*ss are the reason many enterprises opt to off-shore and out-source.

yes idiot. I have worked for several vendors and sold this stuff. I have also been on the customer side buying this stuff. You're paying 250k for an empty 42U that you call "box" - you literally are lying. there are, literally, zero enterprises off-shoring their hard IO hitting datacenters. In fact, having been in 80 different countries for these enterprises, they usually have many datacenters all over the world. VSA…

Hey sunshine!

So, you’re saying vsan for horizontal scalability and you regular san for single point of vertical scalability.

Yup, sounds about right!

I’ve only consumed vsan as a dev, and that turned out... not so good. Scaling performant storage horizontally is a science and no fun to troubleshoot.

Implying you get stuff for free from EMC is just a bad joke, or you have no clue how high the markups are. It does not matter what the invoice tells you, bottom line counts. Last time I was involved, admittedly many years ago, the enclosure actually came with a price tag.

I was there when the company I used to work for was first through the gates in emea to san boot their physical x86 boxes. What a ride and very little gain. Costed a fortune tho!

I’ve worked at a hardware/software vendor (499 of the 500) as an architect within professional services which means I have way to much exposure to the madness going on at the 500s.

I’ve built all flash boxes running zfs as well as xfs for specific scalability needs for customers, usually on-prem clouds but other use cases as well. Commodity hardware. Blazing performance.

If I need proper storage experts I turn to the zfs dev mailing list f ex.

If you could lower your guard for a sec you’ll see that I have no less than two times pointed out that you can build decent infrastructure with precious enterprise gear. You’ll pay through your nose tho, and personally I’d rather hire 5-10 super generalist FTEs rather than a vendor labeled expert and a bunch of hardware.

I’ll leave you with this oldie but goldie: https://www.backblaze.com/blog/petabytes-on-a-budget-how-to-...

I know: “that’s not SAN”, but the point I’m making is the mark-up. If you are working at a place that allows you to play the lone ranger and blow everyone away with three letter vendor acronyms, good for ya’!

Lone rangers are the biggest blocker for most enterprises from a technical perspective, second only to politics.

Re: Why Is Storage on Kubernetes So Hard?

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post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes idiot. I have worked for several vendors and sold this stuff. I have also been on the customer side buying this stuff. You're paying 250k for an empty 42U that you call "box" - you literally are lying. there are, literally, zero enterprises off-shoring their hard IO hitting datacenters. In fact, having been in 80 different countries for these enterprises, they usually have many datacenters all over the world. VSA…

Hey sunshine! So, you’re saying vsan for horizontal scalability and you regular san for single point of vertical scalability. Yup, sounds about right! I’ve only consumed vsan as a dev, and that turned out... not so good. Scaling performant storage horizontally is a science and no fun to troubleshoot. Implying you get stuff for free from EMC is just a bad joke, or you have no clue how high the markups are. It does not…

so, I didn't read your post because you're an idiot - my eyes fell on one line, and I was done, so I'll reply to the one line.

You're running databases on top of zfs?! you're running a database on top of a filesystem? why the fuck would anyone do that?

you've never worked with anything real or big or important in your life. i'm done talking to you personal clown.

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