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Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by ad_hominem »

yani wrote: post #26
kmonsen wrote: post #17

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Can you be more specific? Which rights?

I have a software product. People resell it on marketplaces. They make €30~50,000 per year from doing this. When I contact the marketplaces they hide behind safe harbour - yes, they suspend the user account but the same user will register the next day under a different name and keep the same practice. The responsibility of the content published should be shifted from the author to the platform so abuse like this is n…

> The responsibility of the content published should be shifted from the author to the platform

How is the platform going to know what's legally published and what isn't? In some cases I suppose you can work with an industry, like YouTube's Content ID for music, however even with Google's resources Content ID still has severe glitches[1] (should they be legally responsible for false positives too?). Otherwise what, hire an army of mechanical turks to manually review every single thing that's uploaded?

At best I think under this kind of system you're going to get a stagnant landscape where only corporate giants with deep pockets and/or industry connections can create new innovative products. There's going to be no more upstart Instagrams, Snapchats, Soundclouds, whatever if the company can get sued into oblivion if some rando takes a pic or uploads a snippet of copyrighted material.

[1]: https://twitter.com/SmellyOctopus/status/1082771468377821185

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by Spooky23 »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #85
sexydefinesher wrote: post #67

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What do you see as not functioning in the EU?

have you ever been to rural Germany, Italy, France or heard of gilets jaunes? Any idea why they might exist? I live in a very poor EU country (out of choice) and most young people fuck off to Germany or France because their home states have no jobs for them. They don't come back either which causes a massive brain drain on these places. Ask the so called middle class in Croatia, Slovakia, Italy what they think of the…

That’s happening everywhere. One of the reasons you have the wacky politics that you have now in the US is that the people left in flyover country aren’t the sharpest tools in the shed.

Russia is the most extreme example of the phenomenon.

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by eps »

StavrosK wrote: post #39
eps wrote: post #35

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Because English is one of the simplest languages to learn. A better question is why not Spanish?

Please stop with this fiction. I bet you never had to learn English as a second language. It's very hard.

I'm not a native speaker, so I did learn it.

However I'm just looking at my kids that are tri-lingual at the moment with fourth in the works and they prefer to use English even though we actively force them to speak my wife's and my native languages at home... which are of European group too, so not even close in complexity to Chinese or Arabic. English has less exceptions, there is no conjugation, no gender-specific adjective forms, not that many verb tenses, etc. It's just that - it's an uncomplicated language.

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by StavrosK »

gambiting wrote: post #71
StavrosK wrote: post #39

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Please stop with this fiction. I bet you never had to learn English as a second language. It's very hard.

English is a second language for me and compared to many other languages it's comparatively very simple, or at least you can start to understand and speak it at very basic level incredibly quickly. The biggest issue with English is completely inconsistent and illogical pronunciation, you can have two words that have the same spelling but different meaning depending on how they are pronounced - read and read for examp…

> But the grammar is almost laughably simple and the lack of any sort of variation when it comes to gendered adjectives and verbs puts it firmly in the category of easy languages to learn.

This just sounds like cherry-picking. You're completely glossing over the issue of spelling being insane and concluding that the language is easy because there are no gendered adjectives and many tenses, even though the existing tenses are largely completely irregular.

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by petre »

als0 wrote: post #43
torben-friis wrote: post #33

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We already have a common language that's widely known across Europe (English), it just doesn't have the reach that the native language does. Some countries are also really self centered in terms of news, etc. Here in Spain, for example, most national news deal mostly with corruption scandals, political issues in Catalonia, sports, and little else. Geopolitical and/or European issues are given surprisingly little time…

Feels like the same in the UK media, except s/Catalonia/Brexit/g.

It's quite different. The UK hasn't sent police to stop the Scottish referendum and beat up voters and the EU has not sought the extradition of Nigel Farage.

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by DCKing »

radarsat1 wrote: post #10

The GDPR has already resulted in quite a few websites simply refusing to serve the EU. Will this clinch it? Will the EU be cut off form the internet due to over-regulation that no one wants to put themselves at risk over?

I think calling GDPR over-regulation is extremely suspect. The GDPR does a good job in codifying basic privacy principles of what you can do with personal data. Clear communication, consent, control over your own data and data protection principles. Things that should be self-evident but we have been failing with forever, and something that has become an extremely widespread widespread in an online society. The only reason to call it over regulation is if you're spoiled about not being regulated beforehand - but there was a clear need for such a law and codifying reasonable privacy principles. I don't understand why I hear so few Americans about wanting this in their own country.

Article 13 is fundamentally different from the GDPR. The fundamental problem is that I think (and most people hopefully do) user privacy is an ethical good, and I don't believe (much of) copyright law is an ethical good. If you fundamentally believe copyright must be defended vigilantly Article 13 is not an unreasonable consequence at all - I just don't agree with that premise one bit.

Websites that don't want to comply with GDPR, I say good riddance. If you really feel you cannot uphold the basic privacy principles posited, then screw you too. But for Article 13, the laws are only in the interest of big corporations. I don't care about those.

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by StavrosK »

eps wrote: post #94
StavrosK wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please stop with this fiction. I bet you never had to learn English as a second language. It's very hard.

I'm not a native speaker, so I did learn it. However I'm just looking at my kids that are tri-lingual at the moment with fourth in the works and they prefer to use English even though we actively force them to speak my wife's and my native languages at home... which are of European group too, so not even close in complexity to Chinese or Arabic. English has less exceptions, there is no conjugation, no gender-specific…

What's spoken where you live?

EDIT: You edited your comment, so:

> English has less exceptions

Where? Verb tenses form essentially at random.

> It's just that - it's an uncomplicated language.

I disagree. It might not have conjugation, genders, etc, but it managed to more than make up for the lack of complexity with superb amounts of complexity in spelling, phrasal verbs, irregular verbs, etc.

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by oaiey »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #65
danijelb wrote: post #22

In a weird way, this might be EU's strategy to finally deal significant damage to Google and Facebook, as this law will encourage development of alternatives on decentralized peer-to-peer technologies. However, I'm not sure if EU politicians are that smart...

FAANG will be pissed but I doubt it really makes a dent. Their focus is Asia (has been since 2 decades now). Us Europeans are just a sleepy backwater of old people with lot of history which makes for nice tax havens and retirement homes.

Even worse. They will be the ones which can comply. They can write legal terms, they can check real government identities and create a significant upload filter strategy.

They are the winners, not the losers here.

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