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WordPress 5.0: A Gutenberg FAQ

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Re: WordPress 5.0: A Gutenberg FAQ

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Post by FormFollowsFunc »

afandian wrote: post #9
tvanantwerp wrote: post #3

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I've been looking hard for an open source replacement for the backend that would let my users edit as simply as with WordPress, but not tie my hands with PHP and an odd API for creating the front end. But so far, I haven't found anything that meets users needs like WordPress does. I wish there were more competition in this space. The closest I've seen--different services that let you create content and provide a Grap…

Have you looked at wagtail.io ?

I use Wagtail CMS for my sites. It’s the best CMS I have found so far. It’s built on Django. Instead of looking for plugins you just integrate with other services with Python libraries or standard REST calls.

It has something similar to Gutenburg’s block based content editor called Streamfield. Which makes it easier to theme rich content compared to rich text editors. Craft CMS has something similar.

One thing that is missing in Django though is asset digests you find in Rails - anytime an asset like an image updates it should give it a new name so it’s not served by the cache.

Re: WordPress 5.0: A Gutenberg FAQ

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Post by rob »

jjeaff wrote: post #89
rob wrote: post #80

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> but _maintaining_ a WordPress install is not fun and requires constant - almost tiring - oversight. This isn't true. I've been running and managing 15+ WordPress websites for over 5 years now and not once run into any issues like you're describing, and I certainly haven't lost sleep or become 'tired' over it. Using a good tool like ManageWP (or InfiniteWP, or any of the others, take your pick) makes managing multip…

The fact that you even mention that you get security updates "every morning" is an indication of how much work keeping a WordPress site secure can be. I think it is just wordpress' ubiquiti that has made it a security issue though. Attackers are quick to build exploit bots the moment a new vulnerability is found and they scour the web for unpatched sites. So if you don't stay on your toes, you will get pwned sooner o…

> The fact that you even mention that you get security updates "every morning" is an indication of how much work keeping a WordPress site secure can be.

Sorry for the confusion; I mean if there's a WP/Plugin/Theme update, I get notified every morning so I can go in and update (if needed.)

Re: WordPress 5.0: A Gutenberg FAQ

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Post by Rexel »

nsriv wrote: post #70
Slashbot wrote: post #50

Gutenberg, and this whole medium.com style look to websites layouts and interactivity just makes me think it is about time for an Apocalypse. Probably starting with silicon valley going down in a sink hole (make it goolag first).. like real soon please. I'd rather go back to reading sites off geocities with starry backgrounds and little animated gif's everywhere..at least those looked like someone had fun putting the…

Imagine getting this worked up about black text on white backgrounds.

lol..the fontsizes are big, the designs are incredibly basic like it is designed for adult sized baby children (known as SJW's) with reading and comprehension difficulties..aah it all making sense now, this new push for a dumbed down internet.

Needs to start with dumbed websites right? ;)

Re: WordPress 5.0: A Gutenberg FAQ

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Post by sparkzilla »

dpkonofa wrote: post #79
sparkzilla wrote: post #71

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It might be fine for casual users, but it's really not good enough for those using WP to make sites for clients. That said, I wish you the best of success with it, and will continue to evaluate it as you progress.

If Gutenberg isn't an improvement for you with regard to client sites, then you're not actually developing your client sites correctly per the WordPress specs. You're relying on builders to do too much of the work for you.

Be serious. If I use a page builder, such as Enfold or Visual Composer, I can get a client site completed in much less time, with a consistent design, and with more precision than with Gutenberg. You're saying that I should use Gutenberg because simply because it is the WordPress Spec. But, as it stands, Gutenberg is simply inferior to page builders. IMHO that goes against the ethos of WordPress, which was always for extensibility i.e I can take my choice of competing plugins, themes and page builders according to the needs of my client and the project. Now, it looks increasingly like we're stuck with a system that is slower to use, delivers imprecise results, requires the download of overlapping blocks, is barely out of beta, AND that will destroy competition in the space. Even if it conforms to the "WordPress specs" that's not a good result.

Re: WordPress 5.0: A Gutenberg FAQ

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Post by deltron3030 »

ryanmccullagh wrote: post #65
deltron3030 wrote: post #61

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The main advantage of Wordpress and what makes it unique is that it‘s a real ecosystem, it scales from normal users, or business users/marketers who operate on a very high level, web designers, down to full stack developers and infrastructure devs, covering the whole business - design - dev continuum. There‘s like a guaranteed influx of new clients downstream, who start small with a site builder, and get snatched up…

> There‘s like a guaranteed influx of new clients downstream, who start small with a site builder, and get snatched up as clients as they grow. I like your point here, can you elaborate?

People who outgrow the solutions they‘ve built themselves, and then look for better designs, custom plugins, hosting etc. and fall into the hands of businesses that provide those solutions. And these businesses fall themselves into the hands of other businesses further down the WP food-chain.

The “guarantee“ comes from the growth hacking minded ecosystem. People who set up their own WP businesses read up about it and usually follow the advice they find, what plugins to use, how to FB ads etc.

Re: WordPress 5.0: A Gutenberg FAQ

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Post by nyc111 »

Vanderson wrote: post #88

Will Gutenberg actually help Wordpress? I don't think so. Why? Most site owners aren't designers and don't do layout or content building well at all. Maybe I am short sighted on this though. Much of my business has been replacing sites that run on Wordpress with my own CMS Archetype. Even though it lacks a lot of the power of mass of WP plugins, it makes up for it with simplicity of production and ease of use. Some s…

> Will Gutenberg actually help Wordpress? I don't think so. Why? Most site owners aren't designers and don't do layout or content building well at all. Maybe I am short sighted on this though.

I agree! I use wordpress.com because I DON'T WANT TO DESIGN MY SİTE. Nor do I want to design each individual post. I want my blog to have a uniform look. I may make some tweaks to CSS and that's all. I don't want to think about design.

WP is arrogantly pushing the new editor but I tried it and I see no use for it. I think it should only be an option for people who want to design their own site.

It's true that there is no other place I can take my blog to. WP knows this and they know they can get away with it.

Re: WordPress 5.0: A Gutenberg FAQ

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Post by jim_bailie »

pmlnr wrote: post #2

I seriously dislike the fact that an exteremely wide-spread open source project - wordpress.org - is driven by a for-profit company, wordpress.com. I guess there's no way around it, given Automattic employs most contributors, but this is not the first time when community requests and doubts are ignored (see emojis, half-baked media library refactoring, etc). On the other hand, I'd welcome if these forced changes woul…

I up-voted you because you mentioned Processwire. Holy God is that a wonderful piece of work. We're getting ready to deploy an enormous amount of content using this platform and it's been a real pleasure working with it.

Re: WordPress 5.0: A Gutenberg FAQ

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Post by IncRnd »

sparkzilla wrote: post #52
GeneralMaximus wrote: post #14

I know a lot of people dislike PHP and WordPress, but I haven't found _anything_ that comes close to it in terms of sheer extensibility and plugin ecosystem. There's a plugin for pretty much anything you might want to do with a platform. I even moved my personal Jekyll-powered blog to WordPress a few years ago. My favorite thing about WordPress is that it's a known quantity. There's an easy to follow tutorial teachin…

I'm not sure why you are "excited" to see this release. For those of us who create Wordpress sites for clients, this is a mess. A comparison of Gutenberg to any of the major Page builders (Visual Composer, Divi, Enfold etc.) shows that Gutenberg is simply not ready for production. Features are missing, and there simply isn't the finesse you get from a page builder. Gutenberg should have been offered as an extension,…

Thank you for pointing this out. We are in a simlar position. Have you noticed any compatibility issues between Gutenberg and VC?

Re: WordPress 5.0: A Gutenberg FAQ

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Post by knowsmorsecode »

usaphp wrote: post #63
josefresco wrote: post #39

As someone who hosts over 150 WordPress websites for small businesses ... I'm not thrilled about this release and the work it will entail given the editor overhaul. Another user posted this: https://make.wordpress.org/core/2018/12/06/5-0-gutenberg-sta... Also this posted by the author of Advanced Custom Fields, a very popular plugin: https://twitter.com/wp_acf/status/1070089217479307264

Have you tried managing it using https://managewp.com ? I was in your shoes and it saved me a lot of headache

So you allow managewp to login to your sites?
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