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Re: Clojure REBL [video]

#91

Post by nikofeyn »

slifin wrote: post #28

I need a Clojure job, their technology seems like it's from the year 3000 and I'm over here in PHP land banging rocks together Their idiomatic database can travel through time, they focus intently on composition, referential integrity, immutability to the database level They have specs which can validate things typically better than types and they compose They focus on shared protocols which gives them amazing levera…

i tried installing clojure using leiningen at work and was greeted with over a hundred lines of incomprehensible java stack traces. that doesn't feel futuristic to me.

Re: Clojure REBL [video]

#92

Post by SomeHacker44 »

slifin wrote: post #28

I need a Clojure job, their technology seems like it's from the year 3000 and I'm over here in PHP land banging rocks together Their idiomatic database can travel through time, they focus intently on composition, referential integrity, immutability to the database level They have specs which can validate things typically better than types and they compose They focus on shared protocols which gives them amazing levera…

Clojure specs take me 10x longer to write than any strongly typed structure I ever made in Haskell. Not a fan, but I use it anyway with great distaste.

Re: Clojure REBL [video]

#93

Post by kristjansson »

nikofeyn wrote: post #91
slifin wrote: post #28

I need a Clojure job, their technology seems like it's from the year 3000 and I'm over here in PHP land banging rocks together Their idiomatic database can travel through time, they focus intently on composition, referential integrity, immutability to the database level They have specs which can validate things typically better than types and they compose They focus on shared protocols which gives them amazing levera…

i tried installing clojure using leiningen at work and was greeted with over a hundred lines of incomprehensible java stack traces. that doesn't feel futuristic to me.

If it had todo with clojars’ URL resolving to localhost, I had the same issue trying to install recently. No obviously cause, nor a solution besides using sudo to install AFAICT. But yeah, not a good introduction to the language.

Re: Clojure REBL [video]

#94

Post by lispm »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #86
bitwize wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This stuff dates back to the Lisp Machine at least. But Clojure is the only relevant Lisp left, so no exciting Lisp technology actually officially exists until Rich Hickey invents it.

Oh come on, there's still the undying Common Lisp, and also Emacs Lisp has a lot of relevance, even if indirectly.

Satire is hard to detect...

Re: Clojure REBL [video]

#96

Post by gleenn »

nikofeyn wrote: post #91
slifin wrote: post #28

I need a Clojure job, their technology seems like it's from the year 3000 and I'm over here in PHP land banging rocks together Their idiomatic database can travel through time, they focus intently on composition, referential integrity, immutability to the database level They have specs which can validate things typically better than types and they compose They focus on shared protocols which gives them amazing levera…

i tried installing clojure using leiningen at work and was greeted with over a hundred lines of incomprehensible java stack traces. that doesn't feel futuristic to me.

Clojure 1.10 (being released very soon) has a lot of work to make the commonly cited stacktrace problems better FWIW.

Re: Clojure REBL [video]

#97

Post by kgwxd »

_halgari wrote: post #9

From the license: > You may not use REBL for commercial use.

Doesnt that just mean you cant depoloy REBL as part of a comercial product? Im sure it doesnt mean you can't use the tool at work. Not that I like seeing restrictions in any licences but REBL isnt the cool thing here, its datify and nav.

Re: Clojure REBL [video]

#98

Post by detaro »

kgwxd wrote: post #97
_halgari wrote: post #9

From the license: > You may not use REBL for commercial use.

Doesnt that just mean you cant depoloy REBL as part of a comercial product? Im sure it doesnt mean you can't use the tool at work. Not that I like seeing restrictions in any licences but REBL isnt the cool thing here, its datify and nav.

"Commercial use" is clearly any work-related use. (You are also not allowed to redistribute it at all)

Re: Clojure REBL [video]

#99

Post by kgwxd »

detaro wrote: post #98
kgwxd wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesnt that just mean you cant depoloy REBL as part of a comercial product? Im sure it doesnt mean you can't use the tool at work. Not that I like seeing restrictions in any licences but REBL isnt the cool thing here, its datify and nav.

"Commercial use" is clearly any work-related use. (You are also not allowed to redistribute it at all)

I'd really like to hear that stated unambiguously by someone at Cognitect. It just can't be right. No sane person would think they could enforce such a rule and no sane person would be scared to "violate" it. There's no trace of information indicating what it was used for or when. If there is, no one should use it anyway.

Re: Clojure REBL [video]

#100

Post by tree_of_item »

black-tea wrote: post #82
slifin wrote: post #28

I need a Clojure job, their technology seems like it's from the year 3000 and I'm over here in PHP land banging rocks together Their idiomatic database can travel through time, they focus intently on composition, referential integrity, immutability to the database level They have specs which can validate things typically better than types and they compose They focus on shared protocols which gives them amazing levera…

The funny thing is most of this has been available to Lisp programmers since the 80s.

I don't think that's true. Where did the old Lisps implement something like Datomic or Spec? Where did the old Lisps focus on immutability and composition? They didn't, they were generally imperative, even though they had "functions". Even Scheme is much more mutable than Clojure.
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