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Anyone looked into potential privacy implications? I understand my current carrier can potentially deduce things about my habits in the unlikely event that they were so inclined, but Alphabet et al seem to make a not insignificant portion of their profit from data gathering - that is, they don't need to be interesting in me particularly to sell data about me to those that are (whether for benign ad targeting or somet…

The thing about Google is that they gather data and then sell an interface to that data, instead of selling the data outright.

Pretty much every major carrier is already selling your location information outright to third party aggregators. They push the consent requirement to the third party aggregators under essentially what amounts to a pinky promise.

I use T-Mobile and their Privacy settings did not prevent my data being sold to these services, at least around the time that vulnerability in of one of the 3rd party aggregators was discovered. Even before the exploit, demo of that system demonstrated that location of my phone was available using just the phone number. It was accurate to within a few block radius for me, using tower data (unblockable) rather than some GPS app on a phone that could potentially be prevented. The exploit demonstrated that it was available with no consent, and that consent requirement was just a form-fill for anyone the third party aggregator in turn sold the access to (so essentially they also pass on the consent requirement.. nobody actually enforces it anywhere).

Google wasn't listed as one of the carriers selling location data at the time, but they do not really have their own network, it is essentially a piggyback on others, so I'm not sure how that would work. But I assume it would require their active support.

I think that given the scrutiny about data that Google is usually given, and the incentive that drives them to act as a gatekeeper to data instead of an outright seller, they would be more reluctant to share this than the mobile carriers who already do so. Carriers are under less scrutiny, and users have limited alternatives. And if you're already using Google Maps, Google likely has more accurate location data on you already (correlating GPS and wifi instead of triangulation of cellular towers).

Surprisingly, a Google Voice front to your cell phone offers more privacy than your cell phone alone, as it eliminates the need to share your mobile number directly and have it location tracked. It has made me think more about using Google Fi, to be honest.. Unfortunately I'd have to find some other public demo from one of these aggregators to see if they were sharing my location data like the other carriers. That last one from LocationSmart was removed from public view after the vulnerability was exposed, IIRC.

Other discussions earlier this year:

US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone location data

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17081684

LocationSmart Leaked Location Data for All Major U.S. Carriers in Real Time

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17094213

Some data just can't be sold without it inevitably being abused.

Re: Project Fi Is Now Google Fi

#92
How does Fi work with family plans?

Currently paying $140 on T-Mobile for 4 unlimited lines with unlimited international 3G roaming (good enough for maps and music) and other misc. benefits (half-off phones, free Netflix, unlimited in-flight wi-fi).

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A T-mobile family plan with unlimited data (throttled after 2GB) comes out to ~$25/month. If that didn't exist, I'd look into Google Fi.

Sounds like you got a rare deal, everything I'm seeing online says it's $70-$40 per line depending on how many lines you have.

I guess it depends on how many people you add to your family plan. The more people you add the cheaper it gets

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We pay a lot in the US but it sure doesn't sound cheap to me. I must be misunderstanding something. I pay, I think, $40/mo for 6GB with no phones and then $25/line to add unlocked phones. so I guess $90/6GB? I'm FAR from being on the cheapest plan in the world, but Google's plan starts at $35 for the same 2 lines, with NO data, then $10/GB? So this groundbreaking new plan would be $5 more than I pay, and I ALREADY am…

Oh, wait, 'free' (throttled?) after 6GB. That's where the 'deal' comes in. Still, 6GB is about right for us. I'm sure if I shopped around I could do better, but last time ATT gave me a 'deal' they lied to me about saving my BYOD pricing and suddenly I was paying $40 per line for phones I paid $700+ for.

Allegedly you don't get throttled until you exceed 15GB.

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I want to jump to Fi but is just super expensive for families. I have 4 lines. With Mint I can get unlimited talk, text and 2GB/per line for $15. So a family of 4 = $60. With Fi it would be $145. The difference is more than double. ATT offers 4 lines for $120 with 3GB per line. I remember when it was launched the price advantage was big. But since then the carriers came down and Fi did not (barring that $15 vs $20 pe…

Hope they will offer a family plan in the future. The roaming is definitely tempting...

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I have friends in India who claim to pay 10 cents per GB.

Being from India, I confirm this. Broadband plans cost around that. Mobile 4G plans are around 6$ per month for 1.5GB per day of usage. Though the speeds are more like 3G.

Speed depends upon the place you live. I used to get around 30 - 35 Mbps while I visited Tamil Nadu. On the other hand I hardly gets 1 Mbps speed in my home town.

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After having service with Verizon, T-Mobile, and Google Fi, I can say I like Fi the best. I'm almost always on wifi, and when I'm not it's because I'm traveling. My monthly bill is about half what it was when I was on T-Mobile, and the coverage is much better (plus voice+SMS over wifi). It's definitely not for people who rely on LTE all day long, but if you're mostly going from home to work under a wifi cloud all day, with some traveling overseas a few times a year, it's perfect.

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Is 10$/GB a reasonable price in the US? It seems completely out of whack to me. For comparison, I have 20GB + unlimited call/texts for 10e/month, with optional 2e/GB recharges, and that's not even the cheapest available offer

Not if you can get on a family plan.

T-Mobile has unlimited data for $40/line for 4 lines, if everyone uses at least 2 GB that makes more sense.

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You only play for what you use. This rewards anyone who mainly stays on wifi. My bill is roughly ~$35 a month with them while everyone I know has bills of 70-120. If you sign up for 2GB but use 1.1GB you only pay $11.

How on earth do people have mobile bills of $120 a month?

A good chunk of that is phone payments, not the actual service cost.

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Is 10$/GB a reasonable price in the US? It seems completely out of whack to me. For comparison, I have 20GB + unlimited call/texts for 10e/month, with optional 2e/GB recharges, and that's not even the cheapest available offer

US has one of the worst mobile data in the world. I remember having to pay around $30 for ~3 - 5 GB of mobile data the last time I visited US. Worst of all the connection speed was pathetic. And it was not even 4G. When I visited Thailand recently I got unlimited 6 mbps 4G mobile data for a week for around 8 dollars. India on the other hand have carriers offering 4G data at around $0.08 per GB. US definitely have to…

Can you paste some of the 8 cent Indian offers here? I’m very curious.
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