Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, the author needs to either remove that or clarify that point. That being said, I think the author means that all of these new type faces are very similar and so they may be infringing. Or that the companies want a familiar type face but don't want to pay for it, so they commission a look-a-like. But, that's just a very large grasp on my part from reading the article.
He may be bringing up the issue that it's perfectly legal to copy another font visually as long as you don't copy the font's data. (maybe something the author doesn't understand?)
Why are tech companies making custom typefaces?
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Re: Why are tech companies making custom typefaces?
#92Fascinating! I guess I'm gonna continue blocking all custom web fonts like I've been doing for the past 5 years :)
Re: Why are tech companies making custom typefaces?
#93This is one of those times where as a working creative that frequently reads Hacker News I straight up face palm. I have to imagine a lot of these commenters would say the same in regards to any sort of subjective artistic choice that isn't purely optimized for efficiency. I would like to leave you with a quote by Briano Eno from a really good lecture he gave several years ago that I hope can provide a jumping off po…
Why we like music is pretty well studied.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/phenomena/2013/04...
Also, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_selection_in_humans#Geo...
Re: Why are tech companies making custom typefaces?
#94Re: Why are tech companies making custom typefaces?
#95Fascinating! I guess I'm gonna continue blocking all custom web fonts like I've been doing for the past 5 years :)
How do you do this?
Re: Why are tech companies making custom typefaces?
#96I don't think most tech companies actually want a completely custom, radically new typeface. They want a designer to trace Helvetica so they don't have to pay licensing fees.
Wow, I didn't even realise Helvetica needed a licence. Nor that its pay per click: "When purchasing your digital ad license, you specify the number of impressions your campaign will require. If you’re uncertain how many impressions you will need, you can purchase a small allotment and true up at the end of the month." https://www.fonts.com/font/linotype/helvetica/licenses
- They track use by embedding a link to the third party font provider, which does a 302 redirect to a file on your server that requires revalidation every load. So while you host the actual file delivered to the client, you can't optimize away the time added by that needless redirect on every single pageload[1].
- On some clients, invalidating that original link will also invalidate the cache for the destination of the 302 redirect, so the user is forced to truly redownload the font each pageload.
- Automated bot traffic, whether benign, malicious, search engines, or anything at all, becomes very expensive. A flood of scrapers hitting your site shifts from a minor nuisance to a very big deal. Something that your infrastructure can absorb without a hiccup can easily rack up hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of font usage costs. You can put security measures in place to prevent some of this, but at the risk of adding friction to legitimate traffic. And don't wan't to stop legitimate bots like social media crawlers and search engines. So you can either leave the risk open ended or "fail open" where, rather than blocking a visit, you selectively decide when to include the custom font and when not to. Cloudflare's SSE[2] comes in handy for this, combined with dynamic inclusion in the server side code to exclude it from being served to legitimate bots like Googlebot which don't need the custom font. I've also experimented recently with using Cloudflare Workers for handling that process and abstracting it completely from the original site. While Cloudflare Workers also have variable pricing based on usage, it's over an order of magnitude cheaper than the usage-based pricing of the font itself, and well worth the cost.
- Maintaining that added complexity, purely to cap the risk of the pay-per-view pricing model of the font, adds a needless amount of friction to the website management and development process.
[1] https://www.smugmug.com/ is a site that shows this workflow. They load a font file from cloud.typography.com which 302 redirects to the real font file hosted on Smugmug's CDN. While the response is usually fairly quick, I've seen inconsistent response times from the third party providers. And the fact that in some scenarios the must-revalidate flag from the 302 response causes the cache setting from the destination font file to be ignored as well, making it get downloaded every single pageview.
[2] https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/en-us/articles/200170036-W...
Re: Why are tech companies making custom typefaces?
#97Font licensing is rent-seeking bullshit on the level of "Mickey Mouse" copyright extensions and I'm surprised the big foundries have managed to convince everyone that they need to pay for typefaces, which are explicitly copyright-free in every major jurisdiction.
Not sure what classes as major jurisdictions for you but I thought that lack of protection for typefaces was a peculiarity of USA-ian copyright?
Certainly it appears in the UK that there is typeface protection [CDPA S.55 limits it to <26 years though] and that you can't trace to work around it?
Re: Why are tech companies making custom typefaces?
#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I would not trust an open source process to maintain a standard of quality. On what basis?
On a hunch. I may be wrong. It seems to me that a font, suitable for printing, is a niche product with a very old history of proprietary providers and craftsmen. It's this crafts aspect which makes the open sourcing a bit more difficult, IMO. I.e you need specialists to maintain a certain quality.
Re: Why are tech companies making custom typefaces?
#99I’m curious why Ubuntu as a font was included on this list. While it technically is a font, it’s a font shipped with an OS. There is no mention in the article about problems with default fonts shipped with windows or macOS.
Re: Why are tech companies making custom typefaces?
#100It's not just tech companies. The BBC has commissioned a typeface[1] for their massively varied output, to cut down on licensing costs. [1] https://www.bbc.co.uk/gel/articles/introducing-bbc-reith