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NYC subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', experts say

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Re: NYC subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', experts say

#91

Not surprised. Not only are we lacking in physical infrastructure, but also technological infrastructure. I still don't understand how we do not have stations like in developed Asian countries like Japan or Hong Kong. The trains are "one" unit and the stations are doubled door with people at each station assisting (or ticketing..) you if needed. The train practically drive themselves. The conductor is there for emerg…

Our system is 100 years old and their's aren't.

Re: NYC subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', experts say

#92
post #83

$2.75 sounds really cheap to my British ears. How far can you go on that?

It's a flat rate to get to any transit station in the city, no matter how far away. In NYC, the neighborhoods at the edge of the transportation network have historically been less wealthy, so this is a nice pro-economic mobility thing, and pretty unique among transportation networks. I expect people to say that this should change, but I think it's probably part of new york's secret sauce for economic success.

Same in Stockholm. There was zone based fees for some time.

Re: NYC subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', experts say

#93

The problem seems fixable, but as others have said, people will have to take some lumps. A certain political figure with strong (both bad and good) ties to NYC has harped for a couple of years about a federal infrastructure bill. I think the phrase "third world" was used to describe the problem. No reason why America's Greatest City (tm) could not wring a couple of bil out of the feds to start upgrading their subways…

Not to get super political, but the concept of NY/NJ getting any transit infrastructure-related federal funds was nixed late last year in retribution against Sen. Schumer for... something?

Re: NYC subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', experts say

#94

The MTA claims that New York City's transit system doesn't have enough funding to keep up with requirements. Critics of the MTA claim that the transit system has more funding than ever, and just isn't keeping up because of some vague inefficiencies or incompetencies. This is the exact same argument that we have when it comes to education, health care, defense, and so forth. Some argue that it's because government spe…

When I see stories like this one I take it with a grain of salt because I'll be the MTA and state legislature are basically just fighting their budget battle in the media. If the MTA makes a big stink in the media, they can swing voters to demand more funding and more restrictions on ride sharing.

I'm probably being cynical but maybe not.

Re: NYC subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', experts say

#95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except when conductors aren't needed or necessary. Having a fully autonomous rail system is a much simpler problem than autonomous cars.

Are there any currently in existence?

There are automated monorails in quite a few places round the world.

Re: NYC subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', experts say

#96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except when conductors aren't needed or necessary. Having a fully autonomous rail system is a much simpler problem than autonomous cars.

Are there any currently in existence?

Yes, in several places

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_automated_urban_metro_...

See the GoA4 list

Re: NYC subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', experts say

#97
It's bad.

The A/C/J/Z lines still contain R32 cars, which were built 54 years ago, and are 20 years past their service life. These cars were built before the moon landing, have terrible brakes, have terrible air conditioning, and are, generally speaking, sweltering rattly deathtraps.

The Second Avenue line is 100 years in the making and has a grand total of...drum roll...3 stations. That opened in 2017.

But hey, they're getting WiFi in the tunnels and installing flatscreen TVs in the stations. Three cheers for more ad space! Personally, I'd rather have less station closures, less delays, and less stopping-and-waiting-20-minutes because of track congestion.

Re: NYC subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', experts say

#98
post #67

The NYT had a great article on how the subway got in the situation it is in. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/18/nyregion/new-york-subway-...

When even the NYT is willing to implicitly criticize unions, you know it's gotten bad: Even in the face of the financial crisis and budget shortfalls, the M.T.A. has given concession after concession to its main labor union. Members of the Transport Workers Union got a total of 19 percent in pay raises between 2009 and 2016, compared with 12 percent for the city’s teachers union over the same period. The labor contra…

While it does not surprise me that compensation is higher for NYC transit workers wrt national average, it is still striking that the difference is so large. I imagine the avg income in NYC is not >55% more than the national average.

Re: NYC subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', experts say

#99
This is a really depressing story to read. I've always believed that a good indicator of a country's health, is its ability to tackle complex large-scale projects. Projects that require coordination on multiple fronts: politics, bureaucracy, technical-know-how, civic sacrifice. In the old days when all this infrastructure was built in the first place, we showed our ability to do so. But now, we've gotten to the point where even maintaining it is proving too challenging. When you look at other countries like Singapore, China, Korea and Japan, it's clear that our political and governmental institutions are lagging far behind when it comes to "getting things done". I wonder what this portends for the coming century.

Re: NYC subway and bus services have entered 'death spiral', experts say

#100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except when conductors aren't needed or necessary. Having a fully autonomous rail system is a much simpler problem than autonomous cars.

Are there any currently in existence?

Yes, in fact the L train is automated (or was in the process)
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