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Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by puzzle »

jkaplowitz wrote: post #35
puzzle wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably from the AppEngine change of almost a decade ago or the double Maps bumps (the big shrinking of the free tier years ago, then another one in 2018). Usually those are adjustments to make prices match reality.

Google also puts a lot of weight in certain nuances that get overlooked and then quickly forgotten in the Internet's memory. Your first example: App Engine price hike happened when App Engine departed preview, not after the service had already been intended for mission-critical production use. Your second example: what they're now calling Google Maps Platform has never been part of Google Cloud Platform, is only rela…

Well, yes, I didn't mention that when GAE launched in preview mode, there was nothing exactly like it, so it had an initial pricing model that made intuitive sense (CPU-based), but was flawed: RAM was much more representative of the actual costs behind the service. I only hinted at that when I mentioned reality.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by z3t4 »

ewhauser421 wrote: post #69

I see a lot of Google Cloud bashing on this thread, so thought I'd share my viewpoint as a customer. We've been a Google Cloud customer for close to a year now and just recently signed a deal to move all of our infrastructure over to them from AWS. I've previously managed infrastructure spends of $>10M a year on AWS before, so have a decent amount of experience with them. I've never used Azure. We had been running ou…

Services at this scale fascinates me, can you give any more details on your software stack, and the problems you are facing!?

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by elguyosupremo »

ubernostrum wrote: post #33
lalos wrote: post #8

Microsoft will reap the rewards of supporting XP and Office for decades, that wins enterprise trust & goodwill, and clients will expect that from Azure. On the other hand, every month we have a new product/service of Google being deprecated (officially or by raising prices). Even if it's technically better, the most sane business decision from enterprise would be to bet on Microsoft for support reasons. Microsoft tal…

I know I'm unlikely ever to trust Google's cloud offerings simply because of their track record of support/service, or rather lack of it. Yes, even for paying customers who paid them payments by paying. "Oops, the algorithm decided to wipe out your business. No, you can't talk to a human. No, you can't appeal it and there's no review, and we can't tell you why, because the algorithm said so" is something Google has g…

If you pay for their enterprise level support for GCP you can get human responses very easily (and quickly on high priority requests) though they tend to have to escalate and complicated issues to their engineering teams. We also have weekly meetings with their CRE team where we can give general input, make feature requests and get support requests/etc expedited as needed.

Their support for small customers could use some improving but their enterprise support is nothing like you describe.

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Post by int_19h »

VikingCoder wrote: post #87
AlexeyBrin wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can use GDI and GDI+ on Windows 10 from VS 2017 without a problem.

This is like patents expiring. By the time the patent expires, it's not valuable any more, because the new stuff is superior. In the MS land, I get to completely rewrite my app, because I need the new hotness, which doesn't work with the old API.

That's because the new hotness is often outright not possible to fit within the constraints of the old API. It's the same on all platforms, really. The difference is that on Windows, you can choose to not chase the new hotness if you don't actually need it.

E.g. there are still people writing WinForms and even MFC apps, because it works for them, and they don't need anything flashy. And that is a fully supported scenario - not just running the old stuff on new platforms, but even writing new code that uses the old frameworks in the latest-and-greatest Visual Studio.

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Post by ekianjo »

lalos wrote: post #8

Microsoft will reap the rewards of supporting XP and Office for decades, that wins enterprise trust & goodwill, and clients will expect that from Azure. On the other hand, every month we have a new product/service of Google being deprecated (officially or by raising prices). Even if it's technically better, the most sane business decision from enterprise would be to bet on Microsoft for support reasons. Microsoft tal…

I remember seeing Google folks in Japan coming to sell their products in T shirts and jeans in a business world where everyone wears suits and knows it. I have nothing against the casual style, but knowing the etiquette is primordial in business.

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Post by dman »

AlexeyBrin wrote: post #78
paulryanrogers wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like GDI? (Honest question, not much of a graphics coder myself)

You can use GDI and GDI+ on Windows 10 from VS 2017 without a problem.

If GDI broke there would be a riot in financial firms.

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Post by twunde »

somethingwitty1 wrote: post #80
twunde wrote: post #56

One thing that Azure has really done a good job at is compliance. According to their latest report there are 13 services that aren't HIPAA-compliant, where most of their services are. Compared to Google or AWS that's a major jump in what's usable for companies with compliance needs. That plus their aggression in converting on-prem customers to the cloud (last I heard they were buying up datacenters) has helped them b…

AWS has a bunch of services that are HIPAA-compliant: https://aws.amazon.com/compliance/hipaa-eligible-services-re...

AWS has a large number of things that aren't HIPAA-compliant as well including Elasticsearch. They've made significant progress over the past two years to make most services HIPAA-compliant

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Post by daxfohl »

How much do you think Active Directory is driving Azure's success? I picture Azure's big sales pitch as being able to call up GE or Exxon or whatever and say "hey throw all your ancient lotus notes and other various hosted stuff onto our servers and we can sync all your AD to AAD and you're done". I can see that as being a huge thing. And once an enterprise is in, they're start using it for new things as well.

I've never done any kind of enterprisey user access management before so I don't know if it's actually that easy or even if it's any different from migrating to AWS/GCP. Or if AD sucks and enterprises hate it. Would love to hear from people who have more experience there.

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