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Can you really make a million bucks with just 10 years experience as a T7 at Google? What does a "Senior Staff SWE" do? Are there a lot of them?
Very very few make it to T7. You will not be hired as T7 either. Your comp may exceed T7, but not your level. Yes, you can make a lot of money at Google.
What do you mean by this? (I know someone that was)
Would be nice to see data science in here as well.
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Very interesting, thanks for putting this together. One thing that I'd like to see - on compensation, can you clarify whether the stock grants are valued at time of grant or at time of vesting? If they are valued at time of vesting then the numbers will be much harder to (a) compare against one another, and (b) extrapolate into the future. Right now the submission form is ambiguous, which I worry is muddying your dat…
The submission form [1] asks explicitly for what would appear on your W2 (ex. vested value). Part of the reason why comp packages have been so high in last 1-2 years is that stock grants that were given to employees 2-4 years ago have shot up in value via a bull run stock market. To attract these employees, companies have to outbid their current expected take-home pay. Thus the vested value is actually most relevant…
Can you really make a million bucks with just 10 years experience as a T7 at Google? What does a "Senior Staff SWE" do? Are there a lot of them?
With anonymous submissions on sites like these (see also: Glassdoor), I wonder if there's any sabotage going on where companies submit fraudulent information about competitors. Isn't it a potential downside to this open approach without any verification?
In contrast: https://triplebyte.com/software-engineer-salary shows the actual width of the salary distribution, and the dataset includes all offers made to engineers on our hiring marketplace -- no reporting bias or fudging numbers upwards. (Disclosure: made that page. But also love Levels.fyi. Transparency is good for engineers.)
Edit: previously discussed https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15808549
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Most people won't reach T7 in 10 years. The expectation for each level is: L3: you are expected to do projects assigned to you well L4: you are expected to lead a project in your team well L5: you are expected to lead a project across multiple teams in your organization well L6: you are expected to lead a project across multiple organizations well I think the L6 engineer is basically a CTO role in many other companie…
Your L4+ levels seem pushed up by one to two. Levels should align to manager equivilent scopes. Based on my own experience at peer company and https://www.quora.com/What-are-all-the-job-levels-in-Googles... L4: Capable of independent work on a project and coordinating with a small group (1-2 others). (note this is PhD starting level) L5: Capable of leading your team (e.g. as a tech lead). Maps to entry-level manager…
I have talked to a couple L9 engineers and they're monstrous. L9 managers are directors or VPs.
Here's a slightly related open question: Are Engineers in the US just much richer than in the UK? For perspective, I started my career with an MEng in Electronic and Electrical Engineering as a Hardware Design Engineer at £35k (I out-earned most of my fellow graduates). It seems like these salaries are just comically disjointed from my entire experience of life. Can anyone here speak to the differences? Everything I'…
I've been struggling with a similar question lately (only Poland instead of the UK and... the UK instead of the US) and here's what I've come up with: It's not about being paid poorly/well - it's about serving a specific market segment. To give an example: I work for a company based in Poland so I get to do "Tier 3" stuff, namely churn out apps with a Java back-end and an Angular/React/Vue/whatever front-end. I make…
Here's a slightly related open question: Are Engineers in the US just much richer than in the UK? For perspective, I started my career with an MEng in Electronic and Electrical Engineering as a Hardware Design Engineer at £35k (I out-earned most of my fellow graduates). It seems like these salaries are just comically disjointed from my entire experience of life. Can anyone here speak to the differences? Everything I'…
First, you need to factor a cost of living adjustment. Oregon seems a bit more expensive than the Netherlands. Bay Area is a lot more expensive than Oregon.
I think the big kicker is still the bigger range of salaries. People in the proverbial mail room make a lot less here than they do in the Netherlands. CEOs and board members make many times more here than they do in the Netherlands. Software folk are probably on a similar relative position on that spectrum between here and the Netherlands. Hence making more here than in the Netherlands.
Since you're still looking at the people below and above you in similar ways, you don't always perceive the difference with the mother country much. But I do get self-conscious when talking to some of the people "back home".
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I think the stats reported are probably inflated because of equity. If it includes people who had equity packages hired five years ago, that equity income is now worth twice as much as opposed to the equity someone would get if hired today.
People should be reporting the dollar values they were awarded, not what the shares are worth when they added their comp.