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Feds: Chinese spies orchestrated hack that stole aviation secrets

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Re: Feds: Chinese spies orchestrated hack that stole aviation secrets

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When we were discussing the Bloomberg story, I replied a couple of times to people hypothesizing maybe it was an American government conspiracy to turn people against China. My reply is that we didn't need to make up such stories, because we've got plenty of much better sourced ones already. For those who were wondering, here's an example. It still isn't proof, of course, but I think we can generally agree it's almos…

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Re: Feds: Chinese spies orchestrated hack that stole aviation secrets

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

OP is saying that the US doesn't have the moral high ground and anyone spouting off about how badly China is acting is just being asinine since we do the exact same thing to everyone (and if we weren't then our intelligence agencies need to get off their asses and do it).

There is a fine line in spycraft. Stealing secrets from companies for commercial gain is just pathetic. Can't innovate, just hack it and steal it.

While it's nowhere near the scale of what China has done and is doing, NSA has engaged in industrial espionage to benefit the US economy as well. Few nations can say their hands are clean when it comes to this stuff.

Re: Feds: Chinese spies orchestrated hack that stole aviation secrets

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post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When was it that the NSA was caught stealing lists of clients from Embraer and giving them to Boeing? I can't remember if it was 2015 or 2016...

I hadn't heard of this before, but now I'm curious - do you have any more details on this?

It was in 2013. And the international press seems to be much more focused on Petrobras, where the NSA stole a lot of data than Embraer where it just stole some emails.

Here's a link:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/09/nsa-spying-bra...

Re: Feds: Chinese spies orchestrated hack that stole aviation secrets

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post #46

As an ethical Chinese myself, I'd like to reiterate that this type event is government-backed. And I am confident that HNers respect the boundary between Chinese people and the government. I do want to point out that general Chinese people in mainland China view these type of activities negatively as well. It should not be thought as the general people endorse such activities, they were mostly made unaware of these,…

> As an ethical Chinese myself What is unethical about nation states spying on other nation states' militaries? The aerospace industry - of every country - is intimately entangled with their defense departments.

I am afraid that there is a tenancy to equalize people and the government, especially for Chinese...

Re: Feds: Chinese spies orchestrated hack that stole aviation secrets

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post #32

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Yes, and the American people are allowed to talk about that, protest it and discuss it without being imprisoned. The knee-jerk "whataboutism" in discussions like these does nothing to help. While I understand the desire by many to hold the US more accountable, combined with the instinctive "love the underdog, hate the champ" philosophy that shapes the narrative of the global left wing, keep in mind that China's curre…

1) the whole point would be to prosecute it, not "discuss it". It's allowed to be discussed to the extent that nothing comes out of it, hence the classification of the details. 2) Remember that the narrative of the current US president is that the US is the underdog attacked from everywhere, and so some categories of enemies should be designated and dealt with at large scale and brutally, some of those ennemies will…

So if the citizens of a predominantly white country take issue with industrial espionage by a country which happens to be filled with Han Chinese, it automatically has racist undertones? That is absurd. Are we racist towards Russians for spying as well?

Additionally, please elaborate on how the US is currently "destroying internal democracy".

As far as bullying goes, if you are referring to the trade war, I think blowing up trade deals which were drawn up decades ago to help sustain western Europe against Soviet aggression is a good thing, and long overdue. Germany shouldn't get to be the only rich nation with jobs for its working class. Likewise, China shouldn't get to pretend to be a developing nation (WTO) while keeping their citizens poor by devaluing the yuan to maintain mercantilist policies.

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