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‘Oumuamua, Thin Films and Lightsails

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Re: ‘Oumuamua, Thin Films and Lightsails

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"Oumuamua appears to have originated at the Local Standard of Rest (LSR), which is the galactic frame of reference." Is a very interesting side-note

Wikipedia says: > In fact, the strong correlation between ʻOumuamua's velocity and the local standard of rest might mean that it has circulated the Milky Way several times and thus may have originated from an entirely different part of the galaxy.

That really does just make it that much more interesting. Here’s hoping we get a perfect sequence of coincidences to inspect a similar object someday.

Re: ‘Oumuamua, Thin Films and Lightsails

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Given Oumuamua's well documented non-gravitational acceleration, what was the cause? That's the key question this article – and the paper it cites – are investigating. Comet-like off-gassing has been mostly ruled out due to the lack of observed dust or gas around the object, as well as lack of effect on spin. The paper suggests that a highly reflective 0.3mm-thick film 20m in diameter could be consistent with the obs…

> "Comet-like off-gassing has been mostly ruled out due to the lack of observed dust or gas around the object"

This is a new one on me, I'm not aware of any rigorous lower limits on off gassing which have actually ruled it out as the source of the acceleration. Do you have any citations?

Re: ‘Oumuamua, Thin Films and Lightsails

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Given Oumuamua's well documented non-gravitational acceleration, what was the cause? That's the key question this article – and the paper it cites – are investigating. Comet-like off-gassing has been mostly ruled out due to the lack of observed dust or gas around the object, as well as lack of effect on spin. The paper suggests that a highly reflective 0.3mm-thick film 20m in diameter could be consistent with the obs…

> "Comet-like off-gassing has been mostly ruled out due to the lack of observed dust or gas around the object" This is a new one on me, I'm not aware of any rigorous lower limits on off gassing which have actually ruled it out as the source of the acceleration. Do you have any citations?

Rafikov, 2018: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1809.06389.pdf

Re: ‘Oumuamua, Thin Films and Lightsails

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Given how weird, and apparently unexplainable, various aspects of this object are, shouldn't we be moving heaven and earth to investigate the possibility of some kind of mission to it? From what I've read, there are ideas at least for how we might launch a spacecraft capable of catching up with it. Given the potential of what we could learn, wouldn't that be a better way to spend a few billion dollars than a return t…

This is one of the biggest motivations for going (and staying) on the Moon, Mars, and so on. Going after this object is not just an issue of money. Intercepting objects in space is really hard. Intercepting objects that are hauling ass away and have already shown an ability to exhibit let's say 'aberrant acceleration', when we don't currently have the technology developed, let alone tested and refined, to intercept it makes the entire idea perhaps not impossible, but extremely unlikely to succeed.

By contrast when we have ships moving regularly between Earth, Mars, the Moon, and wherever else - we'll have much more infrastructure and technological development enabling us to have a much better chance of being able to rapidly react to the next 'weird thing' we see in space. And seeing how many weird things we're already starting to observe now that we've just barely begun to be able to open our eyes, I expect this is just the beginning. Consider we still lack the technology to determine whether or not there is some giant super-earth floating around in our own solar system. Sometimes in space it's much easier to see things billions of light years away than it it is to see something right next door.

Re: ‘Oumuamua, Thin Films and Lightsails

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If it was a large hollow body, then it would have particular resonant frequencies. Is there such a thing as a resonance sail? Total speculation, but I think such a thing would work the opposite of a lightsail, in that it would tend to go toward bodies than emanated it's resonant frequency, rather than be pushed away by radiation.

Re: ‘Oumuamua, Thin Films and Lightsails

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It makes sense you would jettison your light sail before starting deceleration approaching earth. That means the things they jettison would pass by us first while the actual spaceship is still slowing down. Perhaps the main ship is on the way!

If you jettisoned lightsail while approaching solar system it would get SLOWED down by Sol's light compared to the main mass of the craft. We would see the ship first and only then the sail.

Solar sails to be effective would have to be much larger than the craft itself, and also very reflective (by definition), though the reflection don't have to omnidirectional (stealth aircraft/ship principle -- make it reflect a lot but only in very specific direction so that it seems dark to most observers).

Given this, the craft would most likely PRECEDE the sail but would also be smaller and darker and we would most likely not be able to spot it.

Re: ‘Oumuamua, Thin Films and Lightsails

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It makes sense you would jettison your light sail before starting deceleration approaching earth. That means the things they jettison would pass by us first while the actual spaceship is still slowing down. Perhaps the main ship is on the way!

If you jettisoned lightsail while approaching solar system it would get SLOWED down by Sol's light compared to the main mass of the craft. We would see the ship first and only then the sail. Solar sails to be effective would have to be much larger than the craft itself, and also very reflective (by definition), though the reflection don't have to omnidirectional (stealth aircraft/ship principle -- make it reflect a l…

Using a dinky star for acceleration is not going to get you real fast. There could have been a targeted beam to accelerate the craft. And the craft carries fuel for deceleration only.

Re: ‘Oumuamua, Thin Films and Lightsails

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you jettisoned lightsail while approaching solar system it would get SLOWED down by Sol's light compared to the main mass of the craft. We would see the ship first and only then the sail. Solar sails to be effective would have to be much larger than the craft itself, and also very reflective (by definition), though the reflection don't have to omnidirectional (stealth aircraft/ship principle -- make it reflect a l…

Using a dinky star for acceleration is not going to get you real fast. There could have been a targeted beam to accelerate the craft. And the craft carries fuel for deceleration only.

You can get right up to relativistic velocities if you first sundive as close as you can while keeping your sail folded and protected by a heatshield, and then deploy your sail right next to the sun.

But anyway, if you carry a solar sail to accelerate, why would you not use the same sail to decelerate as much as possible too?

Re: ‘Oumuamua, Thin Films and Lightsails

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using a dinky star for acceleration is not going to get you real fast. There could have been a targeted beam to accelerate the craft. And the craft carries fuel for deceleration only.

You can get right up to relativistic velocities if you first sundive as close as you can while keeping your sail folded and protected by a heatshield, and then deploy your sail right next to the sun. But anyway, if you carry a solar sail to accelerate, why would you not use the same sail to decelerate as much as possible too?

Especially if you are going to a star roughly same or higher luminosity, you should have no problem braking with the sail. Also, you probably absolutely need to break with sails since you don't want to carry much fuel to break. Any reasonable amount of fuel required to break will be orders of magnitude more than the payload -- reducing effectiveness of sails by same factor.
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