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Re: Night Sight for Pixel phones

#91
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Any hardware reason for it to only work on Pixel phones?

Supports a better Camera API - some people have cracked it to work on non-Pixel devices already though. See: https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/

Can you say more precisely what version you would need to get the new night stuff? I tried installing the latest "recommended" version on my Nexus 5x, but it refused to even install it.

Re: Night Sight for Pixel phones

#92
post #31

What the Pixel cameras are doing is staggeringly good. My father is the founder of https://www.imatest.com/ , and has a substantial collection of top-end cameras. He's probably in the top 0.0001% of image quality nerds. But most of the time, he's now entirely happy shooting on his Pixel.

If you don't mind my derailing the conversation a bit, could you ask your father what he would recommend for 4K/60fps video as competition for the Panasonic GH5s? In its weight class, it's one of the few 60fps (and 400Mbps bitrate capable) cameras that can be mounted to a relatively small sized gimbal, and flown on a drone that doesn't cost $10,000. Is there anything expected to be released in the next few months tha…

Personally I would suggest checking out the new Fuji X-T3 -- I just got it and am very happy with the video quality. It's actually the only other small camera right now that will do 4k60p 10-bit.

Re: Night Sight for Pixel phones

#93
post #18

If you're interested in learning more about this stuff the head of the Pixel team (Marc Levoy - Prof emeritus at Stanford) has an entire lecture series on this stuff from a class he ran at Google. They are here along with lecture notes: https://sites.google.com/site/marclevoylectures/home What's really cool is you can see him talk about a lot of these ideas well before they made it into the Pixel phone

If you're thinking of taking a look, I particularly enjoyed Lecture 7 of this series. The practical applications of Fourier analysis in image recognition/filtering/processing are really quite amazing. Plus, if you're at all curious about the technical details for how exactly something like Night Sight is implemented on the Pixel, understanding what Fourier transformations are and how they are utilized is vital.

Yeah like build this tech into AR glasses.. see day while in night or see a ton clearer at night.

Re: Night Sight for Pixel phones

#94
post #52
post #7

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I never knew I wanted a "smart" fridge, but a fridge that can detect food going off sounds incredible. Sign me up if this is feasible.

A fridge that prevents food going off would be better, no? That wouldn't require smarts, just replacing the air with pure nitrogen, like modern grain silos do. Doing it at "consumer scale" would probably only require the same sort of compressor that your fridge already uses for its cooling.

There are some really low-tech things you can do to extend the life of things in the fridge. At least for vegetables, you can stick them in one of the fabric bags, add water, and they'll survive for weeks. And that costs just a few bucks.

For meat we've got freezers. Is ready food going spoiled a big issue?

Re: Night Sight for Pixel phones

#95
post #31

What the Pixel cameras are doing is staggeringly good. My father is the founder of https://www.imatest.com/ , and has a substantial collection of top-end cameras. He's probably in the top 0.0001% of image quality nerds. But most of the time, he's now entirely happy shooting on his Pixel.

If you don't mind my derailing the conversation a bit, could you ask your father what he would recommend for 4K/60fps video as competition for the Panasonic GH5s? In its weight class, it's one of the few 60fps (and 400Mbps bitrate capable) cameras that can be mounted to a relatively small sized gimbal, and flown on a drone that doesn't cost $10,000. Is there anything expected to be released in the next few months tha…

I just asked my dad and he says that he doesn't have a good answer for you. Personally he doesn't do much video -- just still photography -- and professionally he mostly engages with OEMs way upstream from the actual products; often he doesn't even know what the products will be. So, alas, no good answer.

Re: Night Sight for Pixel phones

#96
post #49

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Yeah he's a good egg. I'm sure it'll keep going as long as he does. His startup actually grew out of those articles -- which were basically supposed to be his retirement hobby -- and now it employs 20 people! I'm really proud of what he's accomplished.

Wow, what a cool guy. I know we don't do AMAs on here but it'd be amazing to get HN to pick his brains for a bit.

I've put this proposition to my dad and it sounds like he's up for it! Might do so tomorrow.

Re: Night Sight for Pixel phones

#97
This might be a weird criticism but... making photos taken in the dark look like they are not actually dark seems kind of like a weird thing to do? I've struggled with my micro 4/3 camera to capture accurate night photographs, but the last thing I wanted of them was to be brighter than I was perceiving them to be.

That said, the effect of some of these photographs is striking, and I'm sure the tech is interesting.

Re: Night Sight for Pixel phones

#99
post #97

This might be a weird criticism but... making photos taken in the dark look like they are not actually dark seems kind of like a weird thing to do? I've struggled with my micro 4/3 camera to capture accurate night photographs, but the last thing I wanted of them was to be brighter than I was perceiving them to be. That said, the effect of some of these photographs is striking, and I'm sure the tech is interesting.

I hear what you're saying. But I almost always capture photos for data, not art, and would really benefit from this. As long as it is a setting, we both win.

Re: Night Sight for Pixel phones

#100

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While I'd like to believe pulling off these levels of photos is as easy as you proclaim (because I would have a lot of old shots that are usable) the level of discounting you assert here is unfortunate, because it's simply not true. The proof is in the reality that nothing has done this good of a job to date. If you do have examples that match or exceed please share and I will be in line to buy.

Just to be clear, I've been a serious photographer (amateur, not professional, but with all of the gear) for two decades, and actually made a pretty popular computational photography app for Android. I honestly don't know which part you're doubting. Long exposures? Do you doubt that other cameras can do long exposures? Do you doubt that they can do noise reduction? Do you doubt that OIS allows for hand-held long expo…

I think it's already been said many times to you, but it's not just long exposure. They take many exposures, throw out the over-exposed (which slrs don't do), and use AI to do smart color mapping in very dark regions. There are no cameras or software out there that produce results like this. Period. There are now plenty of night sight pictures compared next to the new iPhone. The iPhone looks objectively terrible compared to the pixel. Is that because the pixel has a much better sensor? No. Apple would buy it if so. It's computational photography, and there's nothing Apple or Samsung can do in the short term to match it.
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