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Re: Amazon Pitches Facial Recognition to Monitor Immigrants

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Post by stevew20 »

makewavesnotwar wrote: post #41

Sure and while you're at it why not implement cameras all over every roadway to automatically ticket you every time you break the speed limit. Or better yet, why not devise a real time geolocation device to be embedded in cars and then lobby for it to be nationally adopted so people literally can't speed? The reality is that very few people want to live in that world and even if we do fully adopt technologies like th…

But think of the fantastic increase in shareholder value! What a fantastic business move, at the meer expense of civil liberties and freedom.

Re: Amazon Pitches Facial Recognition to Monitor Immigrants

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Post by illiac_1962 »

mLuby wrote: post #38
ozgurozkan wrote: post #33

Don’t Worry!!! Face recog startup founder here. Amazon’s tech only allows them to monitor a specific people list in real time. So search period should be limited. Otherwise it’s so expensive to do that. It only tracks for specific target list on real time cameras or photos. When it comes to searching on archives Amazon is so expensive to do it. As Reminisce Inc we are a photo delivery company. We have a face search t…

Kudos for the principled stance. Hope you can maintain that in the face of investor pressure. Are you saying it's prohibitively expensive to archive footage to later recog against (storage), or is the recog itself the expensive part (compute)?

That data is not regulated. Basically an open book. Try again.

Re: Amazon Pitches Facial Recognition to Monitor Immigrants

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Post by fyfy18 »

hkjayakumar wrote: post #50
makewavesnotwar wrote: post #41

Sure and while you're at it why not implement cameras all over every roadway to automatically ticket you every time you break the speed limit. Or better yet, why not devise a real time geolocation device to be embedded in cars and then lobby for it to be nationally adopted so people literally can't speed? The reality is that very few people want to live in that world and even if we do fully adopt technologies like th…

> Sure and while you're at it why not implement cameras all over every roadway to automatically ticket you every time you break the speed limit. This actually exists in many cities around the world like Dubai. Probably not every roadway, but almost all major ones.

The traffic cameras used in the UAE are pretty tame compared to other countries. The police there are quite open about what new technologies they adopt (it's a form of propaganda to make it look like they are on par with Western countries) so maybe that's why you think it's something new.

London has had ANPR throughout the city for 15 years, and shortly after it went live in London, the system started being rolled out across the country. Now most police cars have real time ANPR systems, and all police forces have access to track cars in real time across the country. [0]

Recently the police have been 'trialing' facial recognition devices in public locations, however given people are more concerned about privacy than they were 10 years ago, I wouldn't be surprised if they have a much more active system than they make out. [1]

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_number_plate_recog...

[1] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/facial-recog...

Re: Amazon Pitches Facial Recognition to Monitor Immigrants

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Post by nilkn »

fzeroracer wrote: post #89
exabrial wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please name a crime where you are allowed to take your children with you when you're arrested.

I'm pretty sure we don't permanently separate families for doing things like petty theft. There's also the the 'Affluenza' case where a teenager killed four people and got off scott-free. Well, until he was found fleeing probation in a foreign country and was dragged back here. So I don't know: Do you think crossing the border is worse than murder?

The affluenza comparison feels like a "whataboutism" to me. Virtually nobody holds that case up as an example of the system working in a healthy and desirable way.

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Post by joshuamorton »

exabrial wrote: post #69
joshuamorton wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Requesting asylum is not a crime, so I'm confused by this request.

I think that's more than valid. Does doing so require always crossing border illegally? Also, what percentage of people are under a legitimate threat of their lives (or relatives)?

Why are you focusing on people who entered the country illegally? The trump admin has separated families who crossed the border legally at ports of entry and then requested asylum[1].

[1]: https://www.aclu.org/blog/immigrants-rights/immigrants-right...

Re: Amazon Pitches Facial Recognition to Monitor Immigrants

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Post by jkestner »

alexnewman wrote: post #53
stonecraftwolf wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because constant surveillance of a targeted group will be systematically abused. And because next is using facial recognition to monitor other groups — LGBT, activists, political opponents. That is extremely frightening coming from an administration that is increasingly using violent and elimitionist language to levy completely made up charges at immigrants, LGBT, and particularly political opponents.

Guess what this is happening every time you walk into a big store , casino or mall. Americans live in a fantasy where they allow large corporations unlimited power but want to keep law enforcement stuck in the 90s because of this administration. Enjoy your fantasy

That's a broad assertion about a whole country. Plenty of us don't want any large institutions with unchecked surveillance power.

Up to a point you can choose not to patronize such places, but where do we draw the line? I'm curious as to any legal arguments other than "You don't have a right to privacy in public." You can't opt out of society.

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Post by jhabdas »

> ICE’s Homeland Security Investigations has used facial recognition in the past to assist during the course of criminal investigations related to fraudulent activities

Post 9/11 USA is nothing short of Orwellian and this is the kind of stuff I saw some HN peeps indirectly rooting for after the Amazon employee letter was released last week. If you want to be link China so bad why keep all the nukes?

Your privacy protection now? The right to wear a bandana while driving your car until pulled over for not wearing your seatbelt. Click it or ticket buddy.

Re: Amazon Pitches Facial Recognition to Monitor Immigrants

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Post by forapurpose »

makewavesnotwar wrote: post #41

Sure and while you're at it why not implement cameras all over every roadway to automatically ticket you every time you break the speed limit. Or better yet, why not devise a real time geolocation device to be embedded in cars and then lobby for it to be nationally adopted so people literally can't speed? The reality is that very few people want to live in that world and even if we do fully adopt technologies like th…

> why not implement cameras all over every roadway to automatically ticket you every time you break the speed limit

The recent front-page story about the new bridge connecting to Hong Kong said that, based on camera footage, software identifies people who have yawned three times (or something similar to that) and alerts authorities.

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Post by fzeroracer »

nilkn wrote: post #94
fzeroracer wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty sure we don't permanently separate families for doing things like petty theft. There's also the the 'Affluenza' case where a teenager killed four people and got off scott-free. Well, until he was found fleeing probation in a foreign country and was dragged back here. So I don't know: Do you think crossing the border is worse than murder?

The affluenza comparison feels like a "whataboutism" to me. Virtually nobody holds that case up as an example of the system working in a healthy and desirable way.

No. It's not. The comment I directly replied to was asking for a crime where you can take your children with you when you're arrested.

We've already established the fact the system is massively stacked against minorities. Then we continue to use 'but it's a crime!' as justification for vile and malicious behavior to people that have committed something without an actual victim like smoking marijuana or crossing the border.

And again, we do not permanently separate families in every single case where someone commits misdemeanor. So then why is it OK to permanently separate all immigrants who cross the border despite it being the same level of crime? Give me one reason outside of 'racism and xenophobia.'

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Post by 8note »

philwelch wrote: post #35
taurath wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s one thing for you to go out in public, it’s another thing when “public” follows you around like a private investigator snapping photos of you everywhere. The right to privacy is the right to be able to go about your business unimpeded. It’s a core idea on which the bill of rights was founded. It’s not written of course, but I’d argue it’s a fundamental human right.

The Bill of Rights was written in an era when most Americans lived in small towns where everyone was recognized everywhere. The anonymity of urban and metropolitan life is perhaps a happy accident, but it wouldn’t have been perceived as a fundamental right to people living in a predominantly rural country.

if you moved towns, nobody would know who you are
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