Mozilla Announces Experimental Partnership with ProtonVPN • Hacker News Board

Re: Mozilla Announces Experimental Partnership with ProtonVPN

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Post by paulryanrogers » Tue, Oct 23, 2018, 5:26 PM UTC

mrweasel wrote: post #78

preinheimer wrote: post #3

(disclaimer I guess I own a company that offers VPN services, it's like ~1% of revenue though). I think this seems like a bit much. I'd love Firefox to double down on building a great browser, rather than getting into Pocket, VPN, a Phone, IOT, etc. Sure, a VPN can be really helpful when you're on sketchy open wifi, or other adversarial network conditions. But you're still trusting someone to handle your connections…

What I don't understand is why everyone needs VPNs all of the sudden. There must be a ton of money in selling VPNs, every YouTuber seems to be sponsored by a VPN provider, and now Mozilla is getting in on the action? As others have pointed out, Mozilla is a for-profit, and I doubt that they would be able to keep up with the development of Chrome if they where not. That being said I wish I'd keep their focus on the br…

For me it was seeing messages from my ISP creeping into traffic from other sites. That's not OK

Re: Mozilla Announces Experimental Partnership with ProtonVPN

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Post by acct1771 » Tue, Oct 23, 2018, 8:07 PM UTC

jopsen wrote: post #62

ryanlol wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"competition" doesn't work super well here given the information asymmetry between users and providers. There's simply no way for customers to tell if their VPN provider is selling them out.

Isn't that why you want Mozilla? By siding with you they can certainly pave over the asymmetry in the relationship between provider and users. I trust Mozilla, not ProtonVPN, and I trust Mozilla vetted them and will continue to look them over the shoulder. That's more than I can say for my current VPN provider.

I currently would trust them right up until the point where they receive a subpoena from the government because I said something they deem icky.

Re: Mozilla Announces Experimental Partnership with ProtonVPN

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Post by tom4000 » Wed, Oct 24, 2018, 8:31 AM UTC

Kaveren wrote: post #82

tom4000 wrote: post #75

Why Proton VPN and not something privacy friendly? As ProtonVPN like NordVPN is run by Tesonet is has the same issues. Why does Mozilla trust in Tesonet and why should their users do? http://vpnscam.com/heres-why-you-cant-trust-nordvpn-and-prot...

ProtonVPN is simply the best choice for a VPN if your goal includes anonymity / privacy; I place zero stock in this. 1. No other VPN that I'm aware of has any of its own data center infrastructure. 2. Even though ProtonVPN (and essentially all VPNs) works with untrustworthy companies like Leaseweb to provide many of their servers, SecureCore allows you to route traffic through their own data center infrastructure to…

Thank you for pointing on the post.

Re: Mozilla Announces Experimental Partnership with ProtonVPN

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Post by jopsen » Fri, Oct 26, 2018, 4:12 PM UTC

acct1771 wrote: post #92

jopsen wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't that why you want Mozilla? By siding with you they can certainly pave over the asymmetry in the relationship between provider and users. I trust Mozilla, not ProtonVPN, and I trust Mozilla vetted them and will continue to look them over the shoulder. That's more than I can say for my current VPN provider.

I currently would trust them right up until the point where they receive a subpoena from the government because I said something they deem icky.

Having worked at Mozilla I can honestly say that I'm confident Mozilla can't keep a neferious secret :)

There is a lot of passionate privacy activists at Mozilla. Many of whom to would leak an NSL at the risk of persecution. (In fact I dare say the lineup would be long)

Re: Mozilla Announces Experimental Partnership with ProtonVPN

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Post by p1necone » Tue, Oct 30, 2018, 1:52 AM UTC

kiriakasis wrote: post #88

p1necone wrote: post #36

Is Mozilla very short on cash? Why is the supposed steward of an open internet suddenly partnering with all these proprietary services?

because Mozilla appears to be more focused on user-centric features than political statements.

One mans "political statement" is another mans "user-centric feature".