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Re: 42 percent of new cancer patients lose their life savings

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Car insurance has no lifetime limit. The limit is either per year or per event.

Car insurance is sold in a 6-month or 12-month policy term, with a "lifetime limit" during that term. You can buy a new policy at the end of the term, but the insurance company isn't obliged to sell it to you.

Is there an explicit limit, or is it just implicit based on how many crashes you can possibly get into and get repaired within the policy period?

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The entire point of insurance is to pool risk so that a bunch of people together pay reasonable amounts, instead of a few people paying enormous amounts and the others paying less. Lifetime limits give you lower rates in exchange for making the insurance much less like actual insurance. If we’re talking about “don’t piss on my leg and tell me its raining,” don’t sell me “health insurance” that will leave me high and…

It's absurd to say that imposing a limit is somehow misleading for something sold as "insurance." "Actual insurance" almost always has a policy limit. Everything from car insurance to corporate liability insurance has a limit. I can't think of any "actual insurance" besides health insurance that doesn't have a limit. Again, I'm not arguing against having health insurance be unlimited. I'm taking exception to your rhe…

No other insurance is like health insurance in terms of the consequences of having a cap (not being made fully whole vs being left to die).

Re: 42 percent of new cancer patients lose their life savings

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In the US, it would have been sufficient to vote for a different party. Enjoy the government, the majority of you people voted for.

In the US we are currently enjoying the government (at least in the executive) that the majority of people did not vote for.

In the US we are currently enjoying the government that the majority of states voted for. After all, states vote for the president, not people, and people are members of their state first and country second.

Re: 42 percent of new cancer patients lose their life savings

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And before people get too comfortable -- Every single "Obamacare replacement" plan does away with the ban on lifetime caps either directly or indirectly. These are enormously beneficial to insurance companies (they essentially have unlimited liability without them) and there is a ton of money to have the caps reinstated.

> These are enormously beneficial to insurance companies (they essentially have unlimited liability without them) and there is a ton of money to have the caps reinstated. I don't understand why you'd phrase it this way. Under the ACA, 80% of premiums have to go to medical care. A dollar saved providing care disproportionately benefits the premium payers, not the company. People act like all this money comes out of in…

In the pre-ACA world, those who were healthy might save in rates by opting into lifetime caps, but those who didn't want the lifetime caps -- i.e. those more likely to get sick -- ended up paying more than they do now. The whole idea behind the ACA is to equalize the playing field between healthy ratepayers and sick ratepayers.

Re: 42 percent of new cancer patients lose their life savings

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Sometimes I’m just amazed that people haven’t risen up in bloody revolt yet. Recently my mother had a flare-up up radiation-induced pneumonitis and the PPO insurance she pays $14,000 annually wouldn’t approve a single unit of Advair. It took a week of talking to doctors and insurance drones to figure out that they were pushing her to an alternative that cost them $100 less. If I woke up tomorrow and people were burni…

Half the population have below average IQ's, and even people with above average IQ's still struggle with abstractions. These topics are complex and it's easy to frame the negative state in a way for low IQ and poorly educated people to grasp, so they tend to side with what they "think" they understand.

And a lot of people with IQ about the median think their proficiency in one domain (technology) transfers seamlessly to another domain (public policy).

Re: 42 percent of new cancer patients lose their life savings

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I am sympathetic. From HN stories, the US health care situations seems abysmal. BUT, i want to make 3 counter points, if only for the sake of discussion. a. Cancer for many is a terminal disease. There are always some very very expensive and experimental or marginal treatments. If u have money, and are going to die, and decide to spend all you can to squeeze an extra year of life , i am very sympathetic but even the…

Buying a $60k car seems like a completely insane concept to me, even with a Silicon Valley tech industry salary. Even $16k (used) was higher than I wanted to pay for my current car.

Respectfully disagree. Recently leased a $60k car and I enjoy every single minute I'm driving it. I'm not paying for a transportation vehicle, I'm paying for joy and pleasure. What else should I spend money on? Burgers and coke?

Re: 42 percent of new cancer patients lose their life savings

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* In the United States.

In most of the world, even in poorer EU states, these super advanced and expensive treatments are not available and people simply die without getting a chance. Occassionaly one hears in media about some crowdfunding campaing for „unique treatment in the US”.

Re: 42 percent of new cancer patients lose their life savings

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I am sympathetic. From HN stories, the US health care situations seems abysmal. BUT, i want to make 3 counter points, if only for the sake of discussion. a. Cancer for many is a terminal disease. There are always some very very expensive and experimental or marginal treatments. If u have money, and are going to die, and decide to spend all you can to squeeze an extra year of life , i am very sympathetic but even the…

> only in the US could a new $60K car be described as "a low cost model"

You're almost right, just one country too many :)

That's not considered a low-cost car in the United States. If you think it is, then you've been spending too much time around the type of people who hang out on Hacker News.

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Is China civilized? Cuz it definitely happens there. I've heard a doctor ask a family how much money they've got in the bank, and took it all to keep a dying uncle on life support for another month. A crime.

> Is China civilized? No. The rampant corruption, lack of free speech, etc don't qualify as civilized IMO.

I think in China you can say whatever you want about anything, you just can't criticize the government. In the US you can criticize the government but can't say whatever you want about anything else without blowback. In China the government persecutes you, in the US it's your fellow citizens.

Re: 42 percent of new cancer patients lose their life savings

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I am sympathetic. From HN stories, the US health care situations seems abysmal. BUT, i want to make 3 counter points, if only for the sake of discussion. a. Cancer for many is a terminal disease. There are always some very very expensive and experimental or marginal treatments. If u have money, and are going to die, and decide to spend all you can to squeeze an extra year of life , i am very sympathetic but even the…

Buying a $60k car seems like a completely insane concept to me, even with a Silicon Valley tech industry salary. Even $16k (used) was higher than I wanted to pay for my current car.

I can empathize. I've never paid even as much as $3k for a car. The idea seems absolutely ridiculous to me, yet I still hear about people not much better off than myself who spend as much on a new car as I would on a modest house.
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