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Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by tapoxi » Fri, Oct 19, 2018, 1:27 PM UTC

apexalpha wrote: post #86

tapoxi wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see how Ubuntu is any less complicated than say, Fedora. I also really don't like their use of CLAs and their attempt to use their desktop presence to push Ubuntu-specific technologies like Mir, Unity, and Snap.

>I don't see how Ubuntu is any less complicated than say, Fedora. You mean the distro that coudn't even play an mp3 out of the box? Jeez, I don't know how non-tech people could see this as more complicated...

But now it can play MP3s out of the box. Not that I'd ever suggest Linux to someone who doesn't know what a codec is anyway. Fresh installs with friends/family are always fine, but its after an major version upgrade (or many years of version upgrades) that the system will eventually get into a state where Dad can't debug it. I stopped this recommendation after a family friend (who bought a laptop with Ubuntu) had a system update that overwrote xorg.conf, leaving them completely without a GUI.

ChromeOS is an ideal Linux for users like this. Keep updates atomic and the underlying system completely hidden.

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by tapoxi » Fri, Oct 19, 2018, 1:29 PM UTC

simion314 wrote: post #87

tapoxi wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see how Ubuntu is any less complicated than say, Fedora. I also really don't like their use of CLAs and their attempt to use their desktop presence to push Ubuntu-specific technologies like Mir, Unity, and Snap.

> their attempt to use their desktop presence to push Ubuntu-specific technologies like Mir, Unity, and Snap. Snap was here before flatpack, what should a company like Canonical do if they want to try something new? Use planted developers in GNOME or other projects to push projects as dependencies into all distributions? If you do not like Canonical do not use their products, use other distro or BSD. Unity was a nice…

> Snap was here before flatpack, what should a company like Canonical do if they want to try something new? Use planted developers in GNOME or other projects to push projects as dependencies into all distributions?

They shouldn't hardcode Snap to depend on snapcraft.io, its really that simple.

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by tomschlick » Fri, Oct 19, 2018, 1:29 PM UTC

nanna wrote: post #82

hyperbovine wrote: post #73

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Honestly though, how many non- technical people do you know who run any form of Linux? Steve Jobs came along and gobbled up that market 15 years ago.

Not sure what the definition of "non-technical" is but I'm finding that among friends who've never heard, say, of emacs, they're increasingly getting tired of how corporate macOS feels, and they feel cheated into having to buy new hardware when apple has dropped support for theirs. I think the question of linux adoption is more just about spreading the word and supporting people to migrate, rather than advocacy of th…

> and they feel cheated into having to buy new hardware when apple has dropped support for theirs

When has Apple dropped the ball on support there? mac OS Mojave supports machines made in 2012...

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by another-cuppa » Fri, Oct 19, 2018, 1:35 PM UTC

hannasanarion wrote: post #47

marenkay wrote: post #40

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Couldn't you just fake it in a container pretending it was ext4? Apart from the real question: why Dropbox when you can rsync and others.

... because dropbox is cross-platform, user-friendly, doesn't require use of the commandline or configuring an upstream source, has a web interface, simple sharing with others, etc etc etc etc Those kinds of "can't you just..." or "why use [easy user-friendly popular thing] when you could [complicated nerdy feature-bare alternative]" answers are rarely helpful and typically come across as condescending. Yes, there ar…

That's the risk you run when you choose convenience over sustainability. If you spent some time and used syncthing you'd get something that won't just disappear some day.

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by SSLy » Fri, Oct 19, 2018, 1:38 PM UTC

tapoxi wrote: post #91

apexalpha wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I don't see how Ubuntu is any less complicated than say, Fedora. You mean the distro that coudn't even play an mp3 out of the box? Jeez, I don't know how non-tech people could see this as more complicated...

But now it can play MP3s out of the box. Not that I'd ever suggest Linux to someone who doesn't know what a codec is anyway. Fresh installs with friends/family are always fine, but its after an major version upgrade (or many years of version upgrades) that the system will eventually get into a state where Dad can't debug it. I stopped this recommendation after a family friend (who bought a laptop with Ubuntu) had a s…

How long ago that `xorg.conf` update was?

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by marenkay » Fri, Oct 19, 2018, 1:38 PM UTC

hannasanarion wrote: post #47

marenkay wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Couldn't you just fake it in a container pretending it was ext4? Apart from the real question: why Dropbox when you can rsync and others.

... because dropbox is cross-platform, user-friendly, doesn't require use of the commandline or configuring an upstream source, has a web interface, simple sharing with others, etc etc etc etc Those kinds of "can't you just..." or "why use [easy user-friendly popular thing] when you could [complicated nerdy feature-bare alternative]" answers are rarely helpful and typically come across as condescending. Yes, there ar…

This was merely a technical question, whereas your reply was... far from appropriate.

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by severino » Fri, Oct 19, 2018, 1:40 PM UTC

KeitIG wrote: post #2

As always, kudos to Canonical to deliver one of the most mature distribution. But. 2018. And still no fractional scaling. This drives me mad. (changing the text scaling is not a solution). Ok, there was Mir, Wayland is late (again)... how can this problem not be solved in 10 years? (genuine question)

I don't know much about the issue, but is this fractional scaling thing a problem only in Ubuntu, or Linux in general?

(If specific, I guess it should be easier to fix now, once they decided to use GNOME as their desktop environment, right?)

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by marenkay » Fri, Oct 19, 2018, 1:40 PM UTC

marenkay wrote: post #40

hannasanarion wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean the fact that Dropbox only supports unencrypted ext4 now? No, that is Dropbox's new intentional behavior, they have no plans to resume sync support for linux.

Couldn't you just fake it in a container pretending it was ext4? Apart from the real question: why Dropbox when you can rsync and others.

Considering the amount of harsh replies this got:

I merely wanted to know if it is technically possible. Not if it is feasible, nice, makes sense.

It was a question. Do not 4chan me.

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by rwmj » Fri, Oct 19, 2018, 1:44 PM UTC

tomschlick wrote: post #93

nanna wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure what the definition of "non-technical" is but I'm finding that among friends who've never heard, say, of emacs, they're increasingly getting tired of how corporate macOS feels, and they feel cheated into having to buy new hardware when apple has dropped support for theirs. I think the question of linux adoption is more just about spreading the word and supporting people to migrate, rather than advocacy of th…

> and they feel cheated into having to buy new hardware when apple has dropped support for theirs When has Apple dropped the ball on support there? mac OS Mojave supports machines made in 2012...

Wow, a whole 6 years?

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by teekert » Fri, Oct 19, 2018, 1:45 PM UTC

sritrisna wrote: post #75

apexalpha wrote: post #71

Despite recieving enormous amounts of backlash and criticism from the tech comunity every release Canonical is the one company making Linux desktops available for less technical people and I applaud them for doing so! Rocking the latest LTS here, and Ubuntu server on my homeserver. Wish them all the luck!

Using Ubuntu in our development and production environment. It's rock solid. However might switch to Kubuntu as it appears to have better HiDPI support through plasma compared to gnome.

You should also consider KDE Neon, an 18.04 base but KDE/Plasma directly from the devs. If you use Snaps for your useland tools you have very stable base and a super up-to-date userland. I'm very happy with it.