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Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

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Re: Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

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Post by oh_sigh »

yourbandsucks wrote: post #86
oh_sigh wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you read CNN in the past 2 years? They are blatantly anti-trump and frequently push their 'analysis'(ie opinion) section as the top-billed story on their homepage. The actual news and journalism that fox news and CNN puts out is fine. The opinion/analysis sections of both sites are heavily partisan in one way or the other though.

Both of those entities are news stations that own a website, not websites that run a TV station. The website is 10% of the picture. More importantly.. check the results. A majority of Fox News viewers believe things like Obama was born in Kenya, or Saddam Hussein really had WMD, despite these being obviously false. Multiple studies by different organizations have indicated that Fox News viewers are less informed than…

Are the 'fox news viewers' there for the journalists, or there for O'Reilly, Hannity, etc - which is exactly what I was talking about. And you're taking a correlation and trying to say there is causation, which is invalid.

Re: Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

#92

Post by [deleted] »

ucaetano wrote: post #76
math_and_stuff wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who else is a company headquartered in the US that is willfully ignoring serious human rights concerns accountable to? This is exactly what government is for. And they certainly cared in 2007 when Yahoo was behaving similarly [0]. Hopefully Google doesn't want to become "moral pygmies". [0] https://www.mercurynews.com/2007/11/06/lawmaker-scolds-yahoo...

All American companies operating in China, including all telecom companies, Apple, etc. are handing over all Chinese user info to the Chinese government. As much as I think that's horrible, there are no laws in the US objecting to any of that.

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Re: Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

#93

Post by yourbandsucks »

oh_sigh wrote: post #91
yourbandsucks wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both of those entities are news stations that own a website, not websites that run a TV station. The website is 10% of the picture. More importantly.. check the results. A majority of Fox News viewers believe things like Obama was born in Kenya, or Saddam Hussein really had WMD, despite these being obviously false. Multiple studies by different organizations have indicated that Fox News viewers are less informed than…

Are the 'fox news viewers' there for the journalists, or there for O'Reilly, Hannity, etc - which is exactly what I was talking about. And you're taking a correlation and trying to say there is causation, which is invalid.

You're right, I was making a hard assumption that people's news sources inform their views on facts that are in the news.

I suppose it's also possible that the viewers have already decided they'd prefer to believe lies, and choose their news source accordingly. Doesn't exactly acquit the news station.

Re: Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

#94

Post by mythrwy »

trhownow929 wrote: post #45
staticautomatic wrote: post #31

China has "disappeared" more than a million people recently as part of what is fundamentally an ethnic cleansing program. So, yeah, fuck China specifically . See https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/08/22/chinas-mass-internment-...

To put that number in perspective, the US has 2.2 million African Americans in “rehabilitation centres.”

A lot of people in the US are unfairly locked up no doubt, and there is likely racial disparity in locking people up.

But it's not accurate to imply 2.2 African Americans are locked up simply for being African American. A certain number (somewhere between 1 and however many people are locked up) of all races, are rightfully locked up because they have committed actual crimes. Like violent crimes, not dealing weed.

TLDR: locking people up for theft or violence is not the same as locking people up for wearing beards or praying.

Re: Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

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Post by [deleted] »

yourbandsucks wrote: post #33
staticautomatic wrote: post #31

China has "disappeared" more than a million people recently as part of what is fundamentally an ethnic cleansing program. So, yeah, fuck China specifically . See https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/08/22/chinas-mass-internment-...

You sure you're not bringing in a little nationalist bias there? Even if you want to constrain the subject to specifically "dealing with central asian muslim separatists over the last couple decades".. seems a little tough for an American to argue with a straight face. I appreciate the candor, though, so thanks. Nice to know the mental place this is coming from.

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Re: Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

#96

Post by vtail »

ucaetano wrote: post #76
math_and_stuff wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who else is a company headquartered in the US that is willfully ignoring serious human rights concerns accountable to? This is exactly what government is for. And they certainly cared in 2007 when Yahoo was behaving similarly [0]. Hopefully Google doesn't want to become "moral pygmies". [0] https://www.mercurynews.com/2007/11/06/lawmaker-scolds-yahoo...

All American companies operating in China, including all telecom companies, Apple, etc. are handing over all Chinese user info to the Chinese government. As much as I think that's horrible, there are no laws in the US objecting to any of that.

There is a moral difference between providing information requested by government that already exists in the systems, and creating tools to assist in censoring information.

I would feel the same way if Google were to develop an additional surveillance tools in their products, such as e.g. recording all audio calls and/or giving government ability to remotely listen to smartphone's microphone.

edit: grammar

Re: Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

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Post by oh_sigh »

yourbandsucks wrote: post #93
oh_sigh wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are the 'fox news viewers' there for the journalists, or there for O'Reilly, Hannity, etc - which is exactly what I was talking about. And you're taking a correlation and trying to say there is causation, which is invalid.

You're right, I was making a hard assumption that people's news sources inform their views on facts that are in the news. I suppose it's also possible that the viewers have already decided they'd prefer to believe lies, and choose their news source accordingly. Doesn't exactly acquit the news station.

The assumption was that 'fox news' viewers view fox news for the news, and not for the opinion section, which is what I referenced in my first post in this thread. If Fox News news and CNN news are equally as informative, and Fox News opinion and CNN opinion are equally as un or anti-informative, it is still possible for Fox News viewers to be less informed than CNN viewers, if say 80% of Fox News audience tunes in for opinion section, vs only 50% of CNN audience tuning in for the opinion section.

Re: Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

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Post by cycrutchfield »

math_and_stuff wrote: post #59
bla2 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was 11 years ago. All other big tech firms are doing business in China, by China's rules. Google used to be better than that. It's very sad that that's changing, but again it doesn't seem like something that's relevant for the House.

I fully support the US government regulating every US company that is willfully aiding in the violation of human rights for profit.

That's nice. Why bother questioning Google about an unreleased product when they can question any of the other big tech companies that _already_ do this?

Re: Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

#99

Post by cycrutchfield »

nil_pointer wrote: post #74
josefresco wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fox News is in no way "the same" as CNN/MSNBC. It's straight up GOP/conservative propaganda that in some cases dictates official policy.

"My news source tells the truth, yours is propaganda". Try to not be so partisan. They both push propaganda.

"Both sides are the same" false equivalencies are the argument of the intellectually lazy.

Re: Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

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Post by s73v3r_ »

oh_sigh wrote: post #85
s73v3r_ wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"current admin believes “ fake news” rather than “the press” are the enemy of the people." But they also define "fake news" to be any outlet that isn't praising them constantly.

No, they don't - I think they define 'fake news' as any outlet that only runs 100% negative analysis and opinion on the administration.

Which is clearly an incorrect definition of the term. Fox News was only negative on Obama, yet I never heard him say they were the enemy of the people.
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