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Re: Disclosure of autism at work holds risks and benefits

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Autism is not a mental illness. I am not mentally ill. I was born with a disability which causes social impairments and a host of other symptoms. Being Autistic is beyond my control, and is untreatable other than just trying my damndest to “pass” as neurotypical whereever and however I can. I find it incredibly insulting and damaging to label me as mentally ill.

The modern discussion whether it's a mental illness or not is just tiptoeing around the issue for non-medical concerns. Mental illness doesn't mean "crazy person", there's a huge number of such cases, and half the population or more is affected by one or more (20% on any given year). There's nothing insulting or damaging to call someone as mentally ill (except for types who think it means "crazy person" or some such)…

There is no “modern discussion” around if autism is a mental illness. It is settled scientific consensus that Autism is a cognitive disability and NOT a mental illness. This “modern discussion” you speak of consists of a single commenter on Hacker News making an unsubstantiated arm-chair assertion that Autism is a mental illness. I’m sorry to bust your bubble, but you are not important enough to overturn settled scientific understanding and consensus with a single comment on a web forum. Now, I want you to understand that no matter how you classify different disabilities and afflictions inside your mind, when you speak such mistruths you influence and affwct the world views of others. Other people are going to read or listen to your comments and they are going to begin to conflate Autism with mental illness. They are going to loop me in with folks who can be treated with medication, or with psycho therapy. They are going to wonder if I’m going to exhibit symptoms of mental illnesses since I am autistic. They are going to wonder if I am depressed, or have anger or personality issues. They are going to wonder if I am a danger to them, and in turn, that mentality is going to cause direct harm and danger to me and other people on the spectrum. It will deprive us of opportunities. It will lessen our ability to make social bonds, in which we already struggle. Your words have power, and in this case I find it disappointing that rather than use your words to benefit others you have chosen, through arrogance, to engage in half-truths and misunderstanding at the detriment of myself and others. Please, consider if it’s more important for you to put forth an opinion that is actively harmful to others, or to approach your discussions and opinions in a more empathetic way.

Re: Disclosure of autism at work holds risks and benefits

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I'm having difficultly explaining my child has autism and need the time off all the time. Seriously people's expectations versus handling reality are very misaligned. Everyone constantly tells me I look sleepy and I've over heard from some that maybe I drink too much. They don't understand the time it takes to drive a kid to see 3 different specialists every other week, to drive to and from ABA therapy (which doesn't…

I have a brother in-law (20yo) that's also on the spectrum (aspergers). In an attempt to help with general anxiety that's associated with Aspergers, we introduced him to marijuana (as it has a relaxing effect), but that just mainly causes more anxiety. However, it turns out that microdosing on psychedelics has been quite the panacea. I'd highly recommend reading the book "A Really Good Day" that goes over the safety…

That's great with the psychedelics. It's a promising treatment from some stuff I've seen with PTSD patients.

RE: cannabis. Most cannabis you buy is high in THC, which causes anxiety. You want the high CBD, low THC stuff. CBD has anti-anxiety properties and is actually relaxing, especially at high doses. As a bonus, it does not get one high. I also recommend a vaporizer pen or edibles instead of smoking.

Re: Disclosure of autism at work holds risks and benefits

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Just as an FYI, autism is considered a disability so your employer has to make reasonable accommodations.

It’s not really that simple. As another commenter says, you have to disclose before you can formally request accommodation. And, given the disadvantages of doing so, it’s often not a good idea to disclose until there are problems. By that point, the employer might not be very cooperative, and, even if they are, the process of requesting accommodation need not be made easy or explained well. And, if things still go so…

You can always file a lawsuit in addition to the EEOC complaint.

Re: Disclosure of autism at work holds risks and benefits

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As someone with many Aspergers tendencies, I can tell you that most work, school and social environments are not great for us. While I think it is annoying to have Aspergers and be expected to act “normally,” I can see it would have many downsides for people to claim Aspergers status and bring this into regular office environments rather than develop coping strategies. It takes very, very little time for normal peopl…

What do you mean by “make it very, very costly for people to bully me?” That sounds to me like a strategy that can easily and frequently backfire.

[Not op] Salted earth. It does backfire, especially for that relationship. Usually if it goes to that extreme I'm not going to be able to save the relationship. But anyone who witnesses you burning a whole forest down to kill a squirrel tends to leave you be after that.

Re: Disclosure of autism at work holds risks and benefits

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Many things classified today as autism spectrum disorders are hardly incapacitating so I would not call it a mental illness.

Can you name one thing which is classified as autism spectrum and not incapaciting pls?

I had a friend in elementary school that was diagnosed aspergers. I mean... the kid was a bit strange, don't get me wrong, but it wasn't really going to affect him anymore than other people's oddities affect them. He grew up, mellowed out, and is doing just fine. On the other hand, a lot of 'normal' people ended up as complete losers.

I mean... the oddities that led him to be diagnosed included things like lack of eye contact and bizarre play habits. But, honestly, these are rather unimportant in the grand scheme of things, because the 'normies' were missing pretty fundamental, yet non-diagnosable, personality traits, such as ambition and conscientiousness

Re: Disclosure of autism at work holds risks and benefits

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I have trouble perceiving other people's emotions, reading body language and facial expressions; it takes more effort to remember faces/names; have other social oddities; but it is hardly incapacitating and you learn how to deal with it. Insomnia (I'm able to sleep only 4h/day and wake up rested) and having hyper focus for my special interests are some perks.

Insomnia is not a perk. Where did you get this idea from? It's not healthy to sleep less than 7 hours on routine basis. It's irrelevant how you feel during the day.

Not everyone needs to sleep more than 8 hours a day: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/07/short-sleepers-gen...

Some people do just fine, sleeping less. The issue is not listening to your body and waking when you don't want to.

Re: Disclosure of autism at work holds risks and benefits

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The modern discussion whether it's a mental illness or not is just tiptoeing around the issue for non-medical concerns. Mental illness doesn't mean "crazy person", there's a huge number of such cases, and half the population or more is affected by one or more (20% on any given year). There's nothing insulting or damaging to call someone as mentally ill (except for types who think it means "crazy person" or some such)…

There is no “modern discussion” around if autism is a mental illness. It is settled scientific consensus that Autism is a cognitive disability and NOT a mental illness. This “modern discussion” you speak of consists of a single commenter on Hacker News making an unsubstantiated arm-chair assertion that Autism is a mental illness. I’m sorry to bust your bubble, but you are not important enough to overturn settled scie…

>There is no “modern discussion” around if autism is a mental illness. It is settled scientific consensus that Autism is a cognitive disability and NOT a mental illness.

Actually autism is officially described and classified in the DSM-5 Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of _Mental Disorders_.

The rest of ad hominem, I will ignore. For one, I find the language insulting to people with mental health issues (even if one considers autistic people to not be among them), as if they're lesser people.

E.g. "They are going to wonder if I am a danger to them, and in turn, that mentality is going to cause direct harm and danger to me and other people on the spectrum." -- because people with mental illnesses are necessarily of "danger" to others?

>They are going to wonder if I’m going to exhibit symptoms of mental illnesses since I am autistic.

Well, they will be right to wonder it.

Even for the mental illness issues that you would agree to qualify as such (from depression to OCD), are commonly associated with autism, much more so than in the general population.

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There is no “modern discussion” around if autism is a mental illness. It is settled scientific consensus that Autism is a cognitive disability and NOT a mental illness. This “modern discussion” you speak of consists of a single commenter on Hacker News making an unsubstantiated arm-chair assertion that Autism is a mental illness. I’m sorry to bust your bubble, but you are not important enough to overturn settled scie…

> There is no “modern discussion” around if autism is a mental illness. It is settled scientific consensus that Autism is a cognitive disability and NOT a mental illness. Actually autism is officially described and classified in the DSM-5 Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of _Mental Disorders_. The rest of ad hominem, I will ignore. For one, I find the language insulting to people with mental health issues (even if o…

I hope that as you grow as a person you will adopt a more empathetic attitude towards others, and see how your words harm or have the potential to harm others.

If you want to call Autism a “mental disorder” you would be correct to call it that, as it is a neurodevelopmental disorder and cognitive disability. It is not however a mental illness. The DSM V classifies a lot of different disorders, some of which are mental illnesses and some of which are not. Conflating that something being defined in the DSM V also classifies it as a mental illness when the writers of the DSM V were very careful not to use that language, shows the very misunderstanding which I am trying very hard to show you (and failing) at best, and intentionally misleading on your part at worst.

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I'm having difficultly explaining my child has autism and need the time off all the time. Seriously people's expectations versus handling reality are very misaligned. Everyone constantly tells me I look sleepy and I've over heard from some that maybe I drink too much. They don't understand the time it takes to drive a kid to see 3 different specialists every other week, to drive to and from ABA therapy (which doesn't…

What state are you in? You can get Medicaid and county services in some states and possibly find a center based program for her.

Texas. Wait list is 19 years. We get some services but we're past the age limit on most of those. Not to mention most of them are so defunded it's like 30 mins of speech therapy available a month...
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