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Re: VSCodium: Binary releases of VSCode without MS branding, telemetry and licensing

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Post by josteink »

userbinator wrote: post #89
josteink wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What ISO? And where? You mean those hacked ISOs from TPB for 3 year old OSX releases? How can I, or anyone else for that matter, be sure they are safe to use and represents runtime behavior of the latest ever-changing (read: breaking) OSX? It’s not as easy as you make it out to be.

How can I, or anyone else for that matter, be sure they are safe to use and represents runtime behavior of the latest ever-changing (read: breaking) OSX? The Hackintosh community has plenty of very knowledgeable individuals who know what they're doing. If someone was trying to pass malware around they would be found out and ostracised very quickly. You can also find the direct links to Apple's servers if you search.…

That’s akin to use hacked or pirated Windows ISOs to build and test Windows-software. And nobody in their right mind would suggest that, right?

Why does different rules apply to OSX?

Also: DMG-files can’t be used unless you’ve already purchased that $1000 machine you don’t really want/need. It’s completely unsupported in any meaningful sense outside OSX.

So more roadblocks.

You know how I get a Windows ISO? I download it from Microsoft. Ubuntu? Download it from canonical. Etc etc.

Can we all agree that it is Apple who put up all these roadblocks?

No other OS vendor makes it harder/more expensive to support their platform than Apple does.

And then you can’t really blame developers for not bothering. It’s all on Apple.

Re: VSCodium: Binary releases of VSCode without MS branding, telemetry and licensing

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Post by yuhong »

lucideer wrote: post #11
carlmr wrote: post #7

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Doesn't it suffice to set the following in your User Settings? "telemetry.enableTelemetry": false Honestly I'm very happy to give telemetry data. Microsoft is doing so much to improve the experience, they can make it better with some data.

This doesn't suffice unfortunately. That setting has worked inconsistently, or not at all, and add far as I've seen in my own testing it never disables all telemetry. There have been issues open on GitHub about this for a long time, though it's a few months since I checked there for updates (I stopped bothering and just put it in my firewall rules; I still see blocked connections in thy log today). I'm a very happy v…

There used to be at least one issue about this, and of course it has been fixed by now: https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode/issues/16131

Re: VSCodium: Binary releases of VSCode without MS branding, telemetry and licensing

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Post by fredsanford »

GordonS wrote: post #80
pritambaral wrote: post #74

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Or from re-enabling disabled settings with an update, like they've done with Windows 10.

They are different products, different teams, different target markets - I've been using VSCode since it was first released, and they haven't done any anything scummy in that time, or given me any reason to distrust them or their motives. All they've done is provide a great product that I love . The VSCode team is responsive on GitHub, and are driving development based on the feedback and telemetry they receive. I re…

>> ... Honestly, I don't see the point of this 'fork'.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." -- George Santayana

https://bigthink.com/the-proverbial-skeptic/those-who-do-not...

Re: VSCodium: Binary releases of VSCode without MS branding, telemetry and licensing

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Post by aikah »

userbinator wrote: post #89
josteink wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What ISO? And where? You mean those hacked ISOs from TPB for 3 year old OSX releases? How can I, or anyone else for that matter, be sure they are safe to use and represents runtime behavior of the latest ever-changing (read: breaking) OSX? It’s not as easy as you make it out to be.

How can I, or anyone else for that matter, be sure they are safe to use and represents runtime behavior of the latest ever-changing (read: breaking) OSX? The Hackintosh community has plenty of very knowledgeable individuals who know what they're doing. If someone was trying to pass malware around they would be found out and ostracised very quickly. You can also find the direct links to Apple's servers if you search.…

All Hackintoshs violate MacOS license. You cannot run MacOS on anything else than a Mac or it's just pirating the software.

Re: VSCodium: Binary releases of VSCode without MS branding, telemetry and licensing

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Post by aikah »

filleduchaos wrote: post #77
josteink wrote: post #44

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Disclaimer: general comment. Not affiliated with project, etc. I don’t know about you, but I don’t typically feel like shelling out $1000 to buy a machine specifically for an OS I don’t use, just to build a binary to non-paying users of free software. If Apple would provide easily installable ISOs for VBox/VMWare installations (or something equivalent), I might bother setting up a build for it. Right now it’s out of…

> but I don’t typically feel like shelling out $1000 to buy a machine specifically for an OS I don’t use I keep seeing this argument and it honestly just sounds rather lazy when a few seconds of Googling will point you towards build services you can use without having to purchase a Macbook (for instance, TravisCI has an OS X build environment). Or if you're opposed to cloud-hosted build tools for some reason you coul…

> This whole "well I would if Macs weren't so expensive" sounds like "I just don't want to support macOS" because you have options if you actually were interested.

Mac development is a bit more complicated than running MacOS on a CI, especially with GUI apps.

And of course code authors prefer compiling programs themselves on their infrastructure. If you want to volunteer and provide a Mac Build then get the source do it and distribute it. But don't accuse people of being somehow lazy for not supporting mac, that's preposterous.

Apple is responsible for the situation. Don't shift the blame away from them.

Re: VSCodium: Binary releases of VSCode without MS branding, telemetry and licensing

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Post by btinker »

jakear wrote: post #53
eckza wrote: post #51

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Some of us want to write code without shipping a bunch of usage data / telemetry / whatever back up to the Mothership. It's the principle of the thing; and anything that shaves off a few clock cycles is fine by me.

VS Code already provides mechanisms to disable all background network activity.

Are you sure? This is what MS says about it:

Data Collection. The software may collect information about you and your use of the software, and send that to Microsoft. Microsoft may use this information to provide services and improve our products and services. You may opt-out of many of these scenarios, but not all, as described in the product documentation.

https://code.visualstudio.com/license

Re: VSCodium: Binary releases of VSCode without MS branding, telemetry and licensing

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Post by userbinator »

aikah wrote: post #95
userbinator wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can I, or anyone else for that matter, be sure they are safe to use and represents runtime behavior of the latest ever-changing (read: breaking) OSX? The Hackintosh community has plenty of very knowledgeable individuals who know what they're doing. If someone was trying to pass malware around they would be found out and ostracised very quickly. You can also find the direct links to Apple's servers if you search.…

All Hackintoshs violate MacOS license. You cannot run MacOS on anything else than a Mac or it's just pirating the software.

Enforceability of EULAs depends on where you are.

Re: VSCodium: Binary releases of VSCode without MS branding, telemetry and licensing

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Post by xfer »

majewsky wrote: post #50
hegz wrote: post #34

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They can't be distributed in distro package managers which usually require everything to be foss.

Depends on the distro. For the main Debian repos, it's true. Others like Arch are more lenient, e.g. Arch packages the Steam client.

Are you sure arch distributes them? Like oracle jre, proprietary packages are downloaded during installation, i think debian non-free works similarly.

Re: VSCodium: Binary releases of VSCode without MS branding, telemetry and licensing

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Post by GordonS »

fredsanford wrote: post #94
GordonS wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are different products, different teams, different target markets - I've been using VSCode since it was first released, and they haven't done any anything scummy in that time, or given me any reason to distrust them or their motives. All they've done is provide a great product that I love . The VSCode team is responsive on GitHub, and are driving development based on the feedback and telemetry they receive. I re…

>> ... Honestly, I don't see the point of this 'fork'. "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." -- George Santayana https://bigthink.com/the-proverbial-skeptic/those-who-do-not...

I'm actually old enough to remember Microsoft's past. But I'm not so old I'm cynical enough to think ill of their ongoing OSS efforts.
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