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Re: Australia bans Huawei and ZTE from supplying technology for its 5G network

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Post by baybal2 »

bogomipz wrote: post #69
torgian wrote: post #25

This is kinda funny and hypocritical when you devote a few brain cells to this. Every country is gathering data on everyone. If you think they are respecting your privacy, you’re naive. The US has been doing it for years. Secretly. EU and I bet you Australia too. And even China, yes. But hey, at least China is honest about what they’re doing. Gotta respect that at least. Point is, it’s just a show.

>"Every country is gathering data on everyone. If you think they are respecting your privacy, you’re naive" This isn't about data gathering or respecting privacy, this is false equivalency. This is about infrastructure, specifically the integrity of a country's telecom infrastructure at the hardware level. The ability to compromise or disrupt a country's Telecom infrastructure is seen as a matter of national security…

You forgot Samsung

Re: Australia bans Huawei and ZTE from supplying technology for its 5G network

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Post by ethbro »

iforgotpassword wrote: post #90
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But China has a worse record of human rights abuses. In regards to intervention in other countries, China consumes them. Tibet, Taiwan no longer exist according to China. They've all got bad history. If God existed and was to strike down on the unworthy nations of the world, very few would be spared. And I dislike this as much as any rational person (hello? rational people...?) but if it came to choosing sides in wha…

> This may be based purely on cultural familiarity, but, well, there it is. Very much this. > In regards to intervention in other countries, China consumes them. Tibet, Taiwan no longer exist according to China. Oh dear. Taiwan never existed in the first place according to China because they didn't accept them becoming independent. (Protip: google how many countries actually regard Taiwan an independent nation). And…

If China wants more accurate reporting about Uighurs, they can bloody well allow foreign press into the region.

(Scroll down and watch the video halfway, where BBC journalists are constantly harassed)

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-45173573

I get the Chinese government's default position is stonewalling information. But at some point, if people say a thing, and you say it isn't so: you invite them to see for themselves.

The fact that China (and the Soviet Union before it) don't...

Re: Australia bans Huawei and ZTE from supplying technology for its 5G network

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Post by ethbro »

afarrell wrote: post #75
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But China has a worse record of human rights abuses. In regards to intervention in other countries, China consumes them. Tibet, Taiwan no longer exist according to China. They've all got bad history. If God existed and was to strike down on the unworthy nations of the world, very few would be spared. And I dislike this as much as any rational person (hello? rational people...?) but if it came to choosing sides in wha…

> Taiwan no longer exist according to China Is there any government which believes that Taiwan is an independent country? I thought there were only three positions being held: 1) The People's Republic of China is sovereign overall of China, including mainland and Taiwan. 2) The Republic of China is sovereign overall of China, including mainland and Taiwan. 3)

I mean, you can also refuse to admit Taiwan is an independent country... while selling powerful military hardware to an organized government within "China" that claims sovereignty over an island they assert is not Chinese.

Apparently!

Re: Australia bans Huawei and ZTE from supplying technology for its 5G network

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Post by wpdev_63 »

wemdyjreichert wrote: post #52

Many people seem to dislike the anti-china move. However, let's not forget that china has put over 1 million Muslims in literal concentration or reeducation camps. That's wrong. China needs to stop, and if not buying their cell gear helps, we should consider it too.

I don't read anyone else defending china here.

They have and will continue their plans for mass surveillance and corporate espionage for the foreseeable future. It makes absolute sense that we don't want chinese hardware/software running our communication infrastructure.

Re: Australia bans Huawei and ZTE from supplying technology for its 5G network

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Post by bogomipz »

baybal2 wrote: post #91
bogomipz wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>"Every country is gathering data on everyone. If you think they are respecting your privacy, you’re naive" This isn't about data gathering or respecting privacy, this is false equivalency. This is about infrastructure, specifically the integrity of a country's telecom infrastructure at the hardware level. The ability to compromise or disrupt a country's Telecom infrastructure is seen as a matter of national security…

You forgot Samsung

Do they actually make switching gear? I wasn't aware that they were in that space? Do you know what carriers use their gear?

Re: Australia bans Huawei and ZTE from supplying technology for its 5G network

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Post by [deleted] »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #55
torgian wrote: post #25

This is kinda funny and hypocritical when you devote a few brain cells to this. Every country is gathering data on everyone. If you think they are respecting your privacy, you’re naive. The US has been doing it for years. Secretly. EU and I bet you Australia too. And even China, yes. But hey, at least China is honest about what they’re doing. Gotta respect that at least. Point is, it’s just a show.

To add weight to your point in regards to Australia's hypocrisy, there's an on-going case where a now ex-member of one of Australia's intelligence agencies blew the whistle on Australia's illegal surveillance of the East Timorese government. Currently they're trying to prosecute the whistle-blower AND his lawyer for "revealing state secrets" as a tactic to draw out the process. See here: http://www.abc.net.au/news/20…

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Re: Australia bans Huawei and ZTE from supplying technology for its 5G network

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

iforgotpassword wrote: post #90
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But China has a worse record of human rights abuses. In regards to intervention in other countries, China consumes them. Tibet, Taiwan no longer exist according to China. They've all got bad history. If God existed and was to strike down on the unworthy nations of the world, very few would be spared. And I dislike this as much as any rational person (hello? rational people...?) but if it came to choosing sides in wha…

> This may be based purely on cultural familiarity, but, well, there it is. Very much this. > In regards to intervention in other countries, China consumes them. Tibet, Taiwan no longer exist according to China. Oh dear. Taiwan never existed in the first place according to China because they didn't accept them becoming independent. (Protip: google how many countries actually regard Taiwan an independent nation). And…

Thanks for the explanation. I will need to look further into the details surrounding Taiwan and Tibet. Your explanations don't ring entirely true with what I've heard and read in the past, so I've got some digging to do.

Re: Australia bans Huawei and ZTE from supplying technology for its 5G network

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Post by iforgotpassword »

ethbro wrote: post #92
iforgotpassword wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This may be based purely on cultural familiarity, but, well, there it is. Very much this. > In regards to intervention in other countries, China consumes them. Tibet, Taiwan no longer exist according to China. Oh dear. Taiwan never existed in the first place according to China because they didn't accept them becoming independent. (Protip: google how many countries actually regard Taiwan an independent nation). And…

If China wants more accurate reporting about Uighurs, they can bloody well allow foreign press into the region. (Scroll down and watch the video halfway, where BBC journalists are constantly harassed) https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-45173573 I get the Chinese government's default position is stonewalling information. But at some point, if people say a thing, and you say it isn't so: you invite them to see f…

Completely agree here. OTOH it's understandable that China is pretty paranoid about foreign press. As laid out, our reporting on China is pretty one sided and agenda-driven sometimes. which ironically enough, only fosters our paranoia and conspiracy theories about these issues. And on it goes...

Tiananmen square was a rare exception in that regard since a lot of foreign press was already in Beijing during that time, but we still have a very incomplete picture, not only regarding the wildly varying figures regarding the death toll.

Re: Australia bans Huawei and ZTE from supplying technology for its 5G network

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Post by candiodari »

iforgotpassword wrote: post #98
ethbro wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If China wants more accurate reporting about Uighurs, they can bloody well allow foreign press into the region. (Scroll down and watch the video halfway, where BBC journalists are constantly harassed) https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-45173573 I get the Chinese government's default position is stonewalling information. But at some point, if people say a thing, and you say it isn't so: you invite them to see f…

Completely agree here. OTOH it's understandable that China is pretty paranoid about foreign press. As laid out, our reporting on China is pretty one sided and agenda-driven sometimes. which ironically enough, only fosters our paranoia and conspiracy theories about these issues. And on it goes... Tiananmen square was a rare exception in that regard since a lot of foreign press was already in Beijing during that time,…

Talk to some Chinese. Or, even worse, people from Hong Kong. The behavior of the Chinese state is disgusting. Even at a local level constant abuses are the norm, in big cities and small. People are "disappeared". Not 1, not a few per year, but hundreds of thousands per year.

Did you see the size of the Xinjang internment camps they built then tripled in size ? But these disappearances are happening all over China, not just Tibet, Xinjang and Hong Kong. All those regions, by the way, have populations in the tens to hundreds of millions of people.

And there's the steady trickle of stories by people that somehow make it back out of those camps, talking of torture, executions, slave labour, starvation.

Let's just stop mincing words here. China is executing a holocaust on it's own people. That's the truth.

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