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Re: Cisco ‘secured visas for foreign workers instead of hiring US citizens’: report

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Post by TheCoelacanth » Thu, Aug 23, 2018, 5:32 PM UTC

outworlder wrote: post #45

supercanuck wrote: post #36

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>and absolutely the thing to do when the foreign employees bring skills not available locally ... AT THAT PRICEPOiNT. You are arguing that those software engineers should be available at the average price. Cisco has a net revenue of 12.8 billion and is dependent on software engineers Allow the salaries to rise for godsake and then lets complain about “not finding good software engineers”

It's a well known fact that abiogenesis works if you raise salaries. Raise them enough and poof, one wild network engineer appears. All companies are able to fill their positions and there will be no shortage.

Or, you know, people who are already alive will train up as engineers in hopes of getting the higher wages. They aren't a fixed resource. They are people who choose to pursue a career based on incentives.

Re: Cisco ‘secured visas for foreign workers instead of hiring US citizens’: report

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Post by nojvek » Thu, Aug 23, 2018, 8:57 PM UTC

throwmex wrote: post #61

donmcronald wrote: post #18

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Allowing the exploitation of foreign workers like that is bad for your country too. I'm Canadian, but some of our big companies use a similar strategy. Imagine being the foreign worker. You know you're being taken advantage of, many locals dislike you, the benefit is temporary, and it's endorsed by the government. It's a smart deal in terms of personal gain, but you're not stupid so you know you're being taken advant…

Isn't it changing in Canada now. Express entry is reeling in talents from US and around the world with its merit based system. LMIA based Temporary skilled foreign worker visa applications are going downhill. The exception there is Quebec which has no clear immigration policy based on skills and companies in Québec are struggling to run business there because of Québec's lack of clear immigration. As someone who immi…

Had a friend born in India stuck in US green card queue for almost 12 years now. Out of patience, they applied for Express entry in Canada and got a residency in 6 months.

Their sentiment is “Canada is a great country, excellent healthcare, however housing is unaffordable (Vancouver outskirts) and it still makes sense to drive down to Seattle and work in US, tech salaries are so much better here in US”

Re: Cisco ‘secured visas for foreign workers instead of hiring US citizens’: report

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Post by commandlinefan » Fri, Aug 24, 2018, 2:14 AM UTC

patricklynch wrote: post #11

romwell wrote: post #6

Securing visas for (and hiring) foreign workers instead of citizens, in itself, is not criminal or wrong -- and absolutely the thing to do when the foreign employees bring skills not available locally. The problem is when this process is used to save on salaries, favoring foreigners over locals on the basis of being able to pay foreigners less only. The article alleges (without evidence!†) that this is what happened.…

> favoring foreigners over locals on the basis of being able to pay foreigners less only Hypothetically, if you were a Machiavellian hiring manager: You would also prefer a foreigner on a visa because they would have less freedom to leave the company than an equally paid employee who wasn't worried that quitting a job would risk being forced out of the country. Also this would make the foreigner more worried about th…

Foreign workers complain less about working unpaid overtime every night and every weekend.

Re: Cisco ‘secured visas for foreign workers instead of hiring US citizens’: report

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Post by 80386 » Fri, Aug 24, 2018, 9:14 AM UTC

whack wrote: post #48

im_cynical wrote: post #42

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Ex employee of 5 years here. It was open secret that the system was being abused. What they would do is post a notice of intent to hire an H1B by posting the job listing in break rooms along with requirements that were clearly senior level and included a salary range for the job drastically below market average. No self respecting local would even bother applying. That's how they got away with claiming they couldn't…

Almost every company uses tactics like these. And for good reason. Most factors that actually matters in hiring (GPA, college you got the degree from, caliber of your prior companies and work experience, interview performance, general intellectual & problem solving skills) are all banned from consideration when explaining why you didn't hire a local. And once you water down the job-requirements to exclude all of the…

>Most factors that actually matters in hiring (... college you got the degree from,

Is this a factor that actually matters? IME, which college you get your degree from is mostly a function of the class and system-manipulating skill (i.e. class) of your parents.

Re: Cisco ‘secured visas for foreign workers instead of hiring US citizens’: report

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Post by Karishmra1234 » Mon, Aug 27, 2018, 7:30 AM UTC

gnarcoregrizz wrote: post #17

Karishmra1234 wrote: post #14

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There are not enough Young Americans anymore. That sound weird but true. Also a college grad fresh out of college can not compete with the huge supply of experienced and better Indian/Chinese/Korean engineers.

> Also a college grad fresh out of college can not compete with the huge supply of experienced and better Indian/Chinese/Korean engineers. Yes, my skills are diluted when competing against billions of people, rather than millions.

Or the jobs will simply fly where those billons of people are the way back office work and manufacturing has already move to India and China.

Flow of immigrants is critical to ensure USA maintains its edge in tech.