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After the Bitcoin Boom: Hard Lessons for Cryptocurrency Investors

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Re: After the Bitcoin Boom: Hard Lessons for Cryptocurrency Investors

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Bitcoin has been through at least 3-4 major "run ups" already. Those who do not look at the log chart think that "this time it's different" and Bitcoin will surely die for good. Later it'll crash from $250K to $50K and then it will certainly be the end. 2011: $1->$30->$3. 2012: $5->$15->$10. 2013: $10->$270->$80. 2013-14: $100->$1100->$250. 2016-2018: $500->$20000->$6000 (so far).

Your data shows that it's reasonably possible for it to spike again. However the sort of mockery of people who do think that it's different this time (and I see it all the time, it's not just you) is sort of funny. As if people who don't have faith in Bitcoin are somehow the naive ones. As if it's established wisdom by now, proven time and again through the ages, that Bitcoin always bounces back and outdoes itself by…

"Bitcoin always bounces back" is also silly. It could, or it could not.

Re: After the Bitcoin Boom: Hard Lessons for Cryptocurrency Investors

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Corrected title: After the Bitcoin Boom: Hard Lessons for n00b crypto Investors

That doesn't even make sense. Anyone that is attempting to invest in crypto is a noob, even the ones that claim to be 'experts'. Nobody had any type of signaling to predict a price deflation for any of the crypto assets. The hard lesson is about timing, not about expertise.

Not 100% true. It's a small market full of inexperienced investors. It's easy enough to play it as such and come out a winner. For example, all the price movements are exaggerated because novice investors lack emotional control -- they get too greedy when the price is going up (magnifying the upward trend) then sell in a panic when the trend starts to reverse.

I often make better returns in a sideways crypto market than buy-and-hold gives me in the stock market.

Re: After the Bitcoin Boom: Hard Lessons for Cryptocurrency Investors

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due to the mining aspect of bitcoin, unlike a stock, it does a a sort of floor, but that too can eventually fail

How does mining set a floor?

cost to hash, in electricity. If the cost of mining is greater than the price of the coin, the miners turn off their hashboards. Some like to think of this as a floor, however if everyone turned off their miners the system would fail to produce blocks. The network difficulty will take 2 weeks to adjust, and the miners will start mining again if it is profitable.

Re: After the Bitcoin Boom: Hard Lessons for Cryptocurrency Investors

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Made the opposite mistake. Called this a bubble way to early (Like $1 per coin) territory and refused to put money into it.

Pretty spectacular fail right there.

Currently trying to apply the above life lesson to investing in weed companies. It's a bit more difficult though since they have more plausible substance so it's more murky in a way.

Re: After the Bitcoin Boom: Hard Lessons for Cryptocurrency Investors

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Isn't this kind of thing the whole reason we have accredited investor laws? This might be an unpopular opinion, but if we want to protect people from themselves, maybe we should stop banning people from investing in private equity and start worrying more about exotic stuff like crypto. It seems utterly absurd to me that I'm not allowed to buy a single share of Uber or SpaceX, while sinking my life savings into whatev…

I'm unclear on why we wouldn't just ban both things. The reason you can't buy a share of Uber or SpaceX is, effectively, that those companies don't want your money . Both could easily do a public offering and admit you as a shareholder, but choose not to. Further clarity: I'm "accredited", and I don't think I can buy a share of either company either.

That's not the only reason you can't buy a share of Uber or SpaceX. There are probably hundreds of employees who would jump at the chance to sell some of their vested shares. There are some secondary markets where you have to be an accredited investor, but most startups will block the transaction.

P.S. I think it would be a very good idea to buy some Uber shares before their IPO. Maybe try EquityZen [1].

[1] https://equityzen.com/trending/uber/

Re: After the Bitcoin Boom: Hard Lessons for Cryptocurrency Investors

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> Now, eight months later, the $23,000 he invested in several digital tokens is worth about $4,000, and he is clearheaded about what happened. > “I got too caught up in the fear of missing out and trying to make a quick buck,” he said last week. “The losses have pretty much left me financially ruined.” I think it's distasteful to criticize the decisions that lead to someone's downfall, but maybe someone will read thi…

> maybe someone will read this and take heed for the future

He is young and learned his lesson. That's a lesson worth $19,000. It keeps you from doing what the Korean mother who lost her life savings, plus some, referenced further in the article did.

Re: After the Bitcoin Boom: Hard Lessons for Cryptocurrency Investors

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bitcoin has been through at least 3-4 major "run ups" already. Those who do not look at the log chart think that "this time it's different" and Bitcoin will surely die for good. Later it'll crash from $250K to $50K and then it will certainly be the end. 2011: $1->$30->$3. 2012: $5->$15->$10. 2013: $10->$270->$80. 2013-14: $100->$1100->$250. 2016-2018: $500->$20000->$6000 (so far).

And it'll keep going to quadrillions of dollars, right? Obviously there's a limit somewhere. It seems reasonable to think that $20k is already pushing it.

The limit is somewhere near M2 of planet Earth. Thats quite a high number! something like $10M USD/coin. Would be nice.

Re: After the Bitcoin Boom: Hard Lessons for Cryptocurrency Investors

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Isn't this kind of thing the whole reason we have accredited investor laws? This might be an unpopular opinion, but if we want to protect people from themselves, maybe we should stop banning people from investing in private equity and start worrying more about exotic stuff like crypto. It seems utterly absurd to me that I'm not allowed to buy a single share of Uber or SpaceX, while sinking my life savings into whatev…

I'm unclear on why we wouldn't just ban both things. The reason you can't buy a share of Uber or SpaceX is, effectively, that those companies don't want your money . Both could easily do a public offering and admit you as a shareholder, but choose not to. Further clarity: I'm "accredited", and I don't think I can buy a share of either company either.

They could do public offerings, but that comes with a lot of legal and regulatory requirements and expenses, accounting rules, disclosure rules, etc. etc. Not all of those things are necessarily bad; ostensibly they are there to protect public investors, but they do sometimes discourage companies from going public that might otherwise want to do so.

But sure, maybe Uber and SpaceX aren't the best examples. Not sure if I'd even necessarily invest in either of them myself, but I thought they made for relatable examples. For a more real-world case, I'd love to be able to invest some money with the solar funds run by Wunder Capital, and that seems a lot safer than crypto, but that's off-limits to people like me as well.

Re: After the Bitcoin Boom: Hard Lessons for Cryptocurrency Investors

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This is crazy. People don’t go from saving up 90k in their 40s to sinking all that into a gigantic lottery. Do they?

They do this when their 90k in savings isn't going to cut it in their retirement, or sending their kid to college. Desperation and duress cause people to make poor decisions, in finance, health, jobs, marriage. It is this fact especially where "advice" doesn't really help. I have not seen that coping with need , whether perceived or real is something people tend to do rationally. And, unfortunately, once you are in t…

> 90k in savings isn't going to cut it in their retirement

$90k at 45 years old isn't great, but it isn't destitution.

Re: After the Bitcoin Boom: Hard Lessons for Cryptocurrency Investors

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm unclear on why we wouldn't just ban both things. The reason you can't buy a share of Uber or SpaceX is, effectively, that those companies don't want your money . Both could easily do a public offering and admit you as a shareholder, but choose not to. Further clarity: I'm "accredited", and I don't think I can buy a share of either company either.

That's not the only reason you can't buy a share of Uber or SpaceX. There are probably hundreds of employees who would jump at the chance to sell some of their vested shares. There are some secondary markets where you have to be an accredited investor, but most startups will block the transaction. P.S. I think it would be a very good idea to buy some Uber shares before their IPO. Maybe try EquityZen [1]. [1] https://…

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