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Re: Smoking around the world

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Post by rmm »

squiggleblaz wrote: post #46
ahansen wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are massive warnings on the packs in New Zealand. I believe they can't use any branding at all on the packs in Australia.

They can include the brand name in Australia, but the format is precisely specified including valid fonts and sizes. Names are also regulated so they can't imply a health claim (like afaik "Mild"). It would be instructive to do an image search for "Australian cigarette packaging" if you want to see exactly what they look like. I gather a lot of smokers like to use boxes to put their cigarette boxes in so they don't h…

As an Aussie smoker with friends who also smoke, the packaging makes absolutely no difference to us. It was an oddity when it happened, everyone spent time comparing which photos were the most disgusting and now its just background.

Also people buy smokes they like the taste of, the packaging/brand had/has no effect on what people buy.

Re: Smoking around the world

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Post by mtrovo »

I remember one of the big chocks for me when I arrived in Germany from Brazil was to see how common is to see people smoking, not only in the street, but inside bars, clubs.

My state in Brazil banned cigarettes inside buildings when I was very young so going out and coming back smelling like a chimney was like going back in time.

Re: Smoking around the world

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Post by 2sk21 »

point78 wrote: post #74

Very disappointed in EU here! Such a disgusting habit that kills and leads to large quality of life loss later in life. Needs to be severely reduced or banned altogether. Seeing 15 year olds smoke is a huge societal failure.

I agree - considering that Europeans are generally on a positive track for health related statistics, it always surprises me to see how much more common smoking is there. Even in Sweden which has an image of being a healthy country, I have seen many more people smoking than in the US.

Re: Smoking around the world

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Post by nvarsj »

notyourwork wrote: post #65
JunkDNA wrote: post #30

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I would argue this is already underway. There is a concerted campaign against fast food and sugary drinks. There are all sorts of programs to encourage people to exercise. Big corporations have annual “health screenings” where they fat shame you if your BMI is a point over and you drink alcohol once a week. The problem is that obesity is a complex problem. Not everyone who is overweight is a lazy person who eats Dori…

I hate to say it but generally people are overweight because they eat more than they should. Not much more to it for majority of the overweight population. Exercise is great but lack of it isn’t the obesity drover.

Well, there's a darker side to that as well. Obesity is a problem for low income people - because cheap food is usually terrible for you - high calories, high salt, high fat and easy to eat a lot of. Think of your typical fast food - the amount of calories that can be bought for a few dollars. Same with soft drinks. Shaming people who get large might be one strategy, but we also need to stop the fast food peddlers that make it so easy, cheap, and addictive.

Re: Smoking around the world

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Post by Scarblac »

rmm wrote: post #90
alkonaut wrote: post #85

What's going on in Indonesia? Men are increasingly smoking like chimneys, while the rest of the world is more or less on the same downward trend. It only being men also suggests it isn't a suddent economic change like lifting tobacco taxes. Some cultural change suddenly made it cool for only men to smoke (again). Is Mad Men running on every channel?

I work in Indonesia a lot and that data makes sense. Every man I know smokes. That's not an exaggeration. It's ridiculously cheap, and with incredibly low income for most of the population, its the only vice that's allowed for most people. A couple of guys on an island in the middle of nowhere once said it helps with the mosquito's (they also keep large fires lit for the same reason) but not sure if anyone else think…

And none of the women?

Do they all smoke kretek cigarettes?

Re: Smoking around the world

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Post by thorin »

mc32 wrote: post #7

What's odd about this is that women in "richer" countries smoke more on average than women in developing nations, but conversely, when it comes to men, men in developing nations smoke more on average than men in developed countries...

I the UK I've always though smoking always thought smoking was slightly more popular with young women. I always put this down to it seeming "cool" or "rebellious" (to them). It also has a reputation as an appetite suppressant which is more women seem to care more about. I literally only know one or two people here in the provinces that smoke, but there were more in London. There were a good few more when I was at university (20 years ago) but most of those carried smokes because they smoked weed too...

Re: Smoking around the world

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Post by Scarblac »

MarkusAllen wrote: post #33
geomark wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In some areas the percentage of unvaccinated is quite high. See this map of anti-vaxxers by county http://rpubs.com/markdg/AntivaxxerHotspots It uses the Personal Belief Exemption for school children as a proxy for the general population of anti-vaxxers. So arguably a bit inaccurate.

Nevada, California - more than 20% opt out. Fascinating. I would love to see hotspots of places where people have no religion - not even atheist... just none.

Why would you consider "atheist" a religion? They're just people without religion who get asked about gods.

Re: Smoking around the world

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Post by Jaruzel »

matonias wrote: post #79

What is up with the daily cigarette consumption in Suriname? 108 cigs a day can't be a normal average right?

I spotted that! Considering that only 6.1% of people smoke in Suriname, and of that 6.1%, 0% are men, and 0% are women... I'd say there's something up with that data.

Re: Smoking around the world

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Post by geomark »

dragonwriter wrote: post #86
geomark wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In some areas the percentage of unvaccinated is quite high. See this map of anti-vaxxers by county http://rpubs.com/markdg/AntivaxxerHotspots It uses the Personal Belief Exemption for school children as a proxy for the general population of anti-vaxxers. So arguably a bit inaccurate.

So, overall, a tiny minority; sure, it's a somewhat less tiny minority in some counties (and a significant one in a few) but those are mostly very low population counties, too.

State-wide that's true. But herd immunity is a local issue. So if your kid is going to a school where more than 10% of the other kids are unvaccinated then they won't benefit from herd immunity, despite the fact that the number of those unvaccinated kids is a tiny minority of all California kids.

Re: Smoking around the world

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Post by kbart »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #27

One of the few things I despised about traveling in Europe was people smoking inside like it was the 70's. Almost lost it over a couple puffing away in the dairy section of the super market, managed to keep my mouth shut. Shame because I otherwise loved my time there.

First of all, as other comments have mentioned it's really not a common sight in Europe. Actually, I haven't seen anybody smoking inside a supermarket during my whole life living in Europe (>30 years) and traveling there extensively. Secondly, even if it were common, your indignation seems strange as you come to a different culture and judge people according to your customs. Do you honestly believe that the whole continent should suddenly start behaving differently just because you went traveling there?
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