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The Places in America Where Most Income Goes to Rent

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Re: The Places in America Where Most Income Goes to Rent

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70% of rentable units in San Francisco are rent-controlled. I know many very high paid people who pay well below “market rate” for their apartments. If you do it right you can live in SF for less than many “cheaper” cities and yet make much more money.

How do you "do it right?"

Stay 5+ years in your rent controlled apartment.

Re: The Places in America Where Most Income Goes to Rent

#92

70% of rentable units in San Francisco are rent-controlled. I know many very high paid people who pay well below “market rate” for their apartments. If you do it right you can live in SF for less than many “cheaper” cities and yet make much more money.

Rent controlled or rent stabilized? Because those are two very different things and I can find no evidence of the former being true.

California rent control is what New York would call "rent stabilized."

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Whomever is a CTO and making $140k a year...really needs to rethink their path in life. That is ridiculous. The amount of responsibility a CTO has at a company of almost any size, is a lot. I don't even know why a company would bother having a CTO if that's all they think it's worth.

Re: The Places in America Where Most Income Goes to Rent

#94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While that would be much more useful, factoring in state/federal/city taxes including brackets is going to be very high effort in comparison to what was done here.

Even factoring in an approximation of federal tax would have made the comparison much better. Adding in an approximation of state tax would give a pretty decent boost to cities in states with no income tax (although you have to watch out for sales taxes in that case).

What would also be nice is a comparison of rentals vs. purchasing a home including property tax considerations with our new deduction limits.

Re: The Places in America Where Most Income Goes to Rent

#96

Why do we have a system that financially discourages dense concentrations of smart, productive, inventive people? It seems the market encourages people to avoid doing anything that would make their community attractive.

I think it has more to do with how we build cities. If you think about it all cities just start off as a collection of single story buildings in the central business district (CBD). As the city grows the CBD slowly gets replaced with bigger and bigger buildings. Under normal market forces high rents should be reduced because builders will build more units in the area to meet demand. However, the major factor that prevents this is government planning that restricts market forces from occurring. The end result is there is not enough supply to meet demand which ends up in bidding wars. The rent rises to absurd rates until it meets demand.

Also cities are more likely to build high-density commercial since those companies are generally bigger taxpayers and consume less government resources compared to residential.

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post #95

When I see CFO/CTO with salaries of 171k, I do not know what to think. Is the term CFO/CTO overused? For me a CTO/CFO is someone in a publicly traded company, and in those scenario they usually make in the millions.

I agree. These kind of reports are the about as useless as they get. I have no idea why anyone would ever use indeed for anything. We get custom made reports with salary ranges in the bay area and LA and our numbers look nothing like these. Nothing in that report even resembles reality, but it's wayyyyy off on CTO and other jobs at that level.

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post #95

When I see CFO/CTO with salaries of 171k, I do not know what to think. Is the term CFO/CTO overused? For me a CTO/CFO is someone in a publicly traded company, and in those scenario they usually make in the millions.

Most companies are not publicly traded. Is the job/life of a CTO of a 15 person company different from one of a 15000 person company? Yes. But they are still a CTO, and it's not necessarily overuse to call them that.

Re: The Places in America Where Most Income Goes to Rent

#99

The analysis comparing cities is just (mean salary - mean rent), which is going to make places with high income inequality look better than they are for most people. I'd like to see the 10%, 50% (median), and 90% quantiles for (after-tax salary - housing cost). I bet the rankings would be quite different depending on which of these you chose.

For large, sprawling cities like Denver, Orlando, Nashville, Omaha, etc etc mean rent is almost useless.

In Denver $1800 will get you a studio in desirable places to live, and will only get you a 2 BR out in deep suburbia or developments that come with 45 minute commutes. You're also going to have widely varying incomes between those two areas... i'd be willing to bet the after rent take home in the fringes of Denver sprawl is much worse than downtown due to ridiculous prices pushing low income workers farther and farther away from the city center while rent decreases at a much slower rate.

Also did they get their salary data from BusinessStudent or from Indeed? And where did they get their real estate data from?

Re: The Places in America Where Most Income Goes to Rent

#100

70% of rentable units in San Francisco are rent-controlled. I know many very high paid people who pay well below “market rate” for their apartments. If you do it right you can live in SF for less than many “cheaper” cities and yet make much more money.

How do you "do it right?"

Agreed. I just left my apartment in SF, 1BR/1BA for 1900$, now whomever is gonna take it will rent at 2200$. I think you can outperform buying house by renting for a longterm in the bay area.
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