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> Here's my advice to developers who want to freelance: network and network some more. Write blogs, create content marketing material for yourself. There are many developers who can't do it because they live in Eastern Europe or Asia or Latin America and speak only conversational English. Upwork has a lot problems but it's providing $25+/h rates for thousands of professionals who otherwise would get only $10-15/h or…

Eastern Europe or Asia or Latin America and speak only conversational English. It’s the opposite - they have access to markets that English-only speakers don’t. A Brazilian developer networking with Brazilian companies is going to be much happier than one scrabbling for work in a race-to-the-bottom marketplace like Upwork

These markets rarely pay as much as US or even UK. I've seen dozens of developers with 2-5 years of experience earning more on Upwork than senior developers in their countries.

Also, it isn't a "race-to-the-bottom" if you have a good portfolio and know how to present your skills.

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Shamefully hijacking, I’m actually building something similar but it _does_not_track_keystrokes_or_take_screenshots_ because we agree that that is too intrusive. It’s made for lawyers to match their file activity with time entries. https://griffn.io/ We’re also YC Winter 18 hopefuls..!

I believe ‘his’ should be ‘he’ in this context - “His has built widely used software ranging from award-winning individual apps to corporate workforce software.”

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That doesn't even scratch the surface of Upwork issues though. Has anyone recently seen how much clients are willing to pay for work? I'm seeing avg pays of about 9-10$ an hour for mid-complexity jobs. Even see some clients willing to pay 600$ for fully functional IOS, Android and Web App iterations of an App.

We pay $20-25/hr for entry-level developer work and $40-50/hr for intermediate developer work from Eastern European countries, which is super competitive over there. We've got a pair of excellent developers that we've had for a long time and we're extremely happy.

Yeah, if you live in SV and want to make $120/hr on Upwork, go pound sand. But those salaries are pretty good for people who live in modest Midwestern towns or countries that are not America.

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That doesn't even scratch the surface of Upwork issues though. Has anyone recently seen how much clients are willing to pay for work? I'm seeing avg pays of about 9-10$ an hour for mid-complexity jobs. Even see some clients willing to pay 600$ for fully functional IOS, Android and Web App iterations of an App.

No one is obliged to bid on such projects. You'll find clients who pay good rates too. I have been freelancing on Upwork since 2010, I never bin on low budgeted projects and usually I'm happy with $35+/hr rates. That may sound to low in US but where I live it is very high pay rate.

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Semirelated but I run timesnapper, which is a private tracking software running only on my PC so I can check if I've forgotten to save a doc and wanted to see what it looked like 2 hours ago.

Interesting! Link: http://timesnapper.com/ What would be the *nix alternative?

while : ; do scrot ss-$(date +%s).jpg ;sleep 60 ;done

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That doesn't even scratch the surface of Upwork issues though. Has anyone recently seen how much clients are willing to pay for work? I'm seeing avg pays of about 9-10$ an hour for mid-complexity jobs. Even see some clients willing to pay 600$ for fully functional IOS, Android and Web App iterations of an App.

There definitely are clients who are happy to pay $40-$75 an hour for senior full stack eng talent. We are such a client, and two VPE friends also commonly use upwork for 1-3 month gigs where they don't want to pay $175/hour for an sfbay contractor. The reason you're not seeing them is good clients eventually find a good contractor and either just run fulltime ongoing work through upwork (for eg payment convenience)…

I was earning $95/hr as a ux UI designer. Now I run a consultancy and charge per project which equates to 260-300$ an hour. Upwork has many issues and limitations but if you do well by good clients you can make it work pretty well.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Here's my advice to developers who want to freelance: network and network some more. Write blogs, create content marketing material for yourself. There are many developers who can't do it because they live in Eastern Europe or Asia or Latin America and speak only conversational English. Upwork has a lot problems but it's providing $25+/h rates for thousands of professionals who otherwise would get only $10-15/h or…

Eastern Europe or Asia or Latin America and speak only conversational English. It’s the opposite - they have access to markets that English-only speakers don’t. A Brazilian developer networking with Brazilian companies is going to be much happier than one scrabbling for work in a race-to-the-bottom marketplace like Upwork

You want access to the market with the most money because you want some of their money. I bet there's very little competition in the Somali language software community but the upper limit for what you're going to get paid is going to be substantially lower than that for people who can speak English, or even Spanish or Russian.

If you're a UK developer looking for remote work you would on average do better compensation wise getting a remote job with an American company than a UK one. They're used to paying more so they do. They can because they're more profitable.

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Eastern Europe or Asia or Latin America and speak only conversational English. It’s the opposite - they have access to markets that English-only speakers don’t. A Brazilian developer networking with Brazilian companies is going to be much happier than one scrabbling for work in a race-to-the-bottom marketplace like Upwork

These markets rarely pay as much as US or even UK. I've seen dozens of developers with 2-5 years of experience earning more on Upwork than senior developers in their countries. Also, it isn't a "race-to-the-bottom" if you have a good portfolio and know how to present your skills.

If they want to be paid well, they are probably not going on Upworks anyway... These websites are the bottom of what you can get as a consultant.

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We use 'TimeDoctor' as our tracking app at work, and it does an alright job. It also takes screenshots and checks for user activity. A lot of people bitch and moan about it. But if you go work in a factory - for instance - you'll be clocking in and clocking out just the same.

A lot of people bitch and moan about it.

... and your best people will leave. Over time you’ll be left with just the ones who don’t have any options to go anywhere else.

It’s kind of a self-inflicted Dead-Sea Effect that you’ve set up.

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