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Bread and Circuses: The State of Web App Startups

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Re: Bread and Circuses: The State of Web App Startups

#91
> Here’s a problem: Many Americans can’t afford medical care.

> Here’s another problem: Many Americans can’t afford a decent education, and many parts of our public school system suck.

> Here’s another, even more pressing problem: Many Americans are homeless. Many can’t afford to eat.

I agree with the whole article, but this stuck to me. (except the "American" part... European here). It's a problem, a big problem waiting to be solved. And I found I'm itching to give it a shot.

Like somebody else already said in this thread, this kind of problems can usually be approached only with a ton of money and prior experience - but on the other hand, there should be much less competition then in writing the next killer Android app.

Re: Bread and Circuses: The State of Web App Startups

#92
Alright, a few of the top comments point out the good of the Foursquares and Facebooks of the world.

Except, that's not the point - on anything beyond the personal scale the question is not, "which of these two do we want?" but "how much of each do we want?" She asks: "How well are our resources allocated?"

I think there's a strong case that we're under-invested in some of the largest problems of society - personally I'm working towards reforming government http://votereports.org/, and I can tell you the government directly spends some 40% of the GDP, and indirectly affects every other bit of it. Do we have anything close to 40% of developers working on disrupting our stodgy old government? How about 5%? 1%? I know of 3 good folks I work alongside (including these folks: http://circlevoting.com/), and a handful of other part-time, side-job efforts. But is that a proper reflection of the relative return of the problem, when compared to hundreds of facebookers or dozens elsewhere?

Health care is 17% of GDP. What are the big, disruptive health care startups? Who is going to build the tool that enables doctors and patients to circumvent the worst of the system? Or something that serves the economic purpose of insurance while avoiding the onerous regulations thereof? I've had the pleasure to meet with Jay Parkinson of http://thefuturewell.com, and I'll bet he could put the 30-some foursquare developers to better use.

Again, this isn't an either/or question, but a question of resource allocation.

Perhaps what we've done so far has made sense because those are the easy questions to answer - the money is there and the consumers are willing. But sooner or later we're going to have to recognize that the biggest problems of society deserve more of our attention.

Re: Bread and Circuses: The State of Web App Startups

#93
post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real problem might not even be that Americans need a healthier lifestyle... You just did the exact same thing Jolie O'Dell did - you picked an action, identified a problem that the action solves, and declared that new problem to be the original problem.

Not at all. Dbingham identified a possible root cause that is more specific and actionable than the originally stated problem. You took a qualified hypothesis and claimed it was stated as the totality of the situation. More importantly, the possible root cause could conceivably be mitigated by a variety of solutions we know how to build - webapps for improved meal planning, recipes, health information, and so on.

Eliminate corn subsidies?

Re: Bread and Circuses: The State of Web App Startups

#94
post #78

Reading this resonated with me. I knew that the responses here would pretty much rip it apart, but I'm surprised that as of right now only one of 15 comments is positive. It's pretty easy to find ways to criticize this post. It's not particularly well written, it's not inspirational, and of course you can poke holes in any kind of argument this vague. But if you don't agree, I think it's worth it to stop and be hones…

The premise of the article is that because there are so many fluff start-ups, there are so few non-fluff start-ups. Now, for the sake of debate, let's agree there are lots of fluff start-ups. But does that mean there are fewer non-fluff start-ups? I don't think so. It's a false dichotomy. Just because you have more Zynga-like companies does not mean you don't have more start-ups today than a decade ago going after ca…

Just think why some countries are good in football, and others are good in baseball. It does make a difference what kind of sports is the most visible and prestigious - talent really does focus on those sports.

Re: Bread and Circuses: The State of Web App Startups

#95
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Homelessness isn't going to be solved by some RoR hacker creating a website that matches the homeless with available space. Rather it is the challenge for social workers, mental health practitioners, etc." I think you're missing the larger point: when the best and the brightest technological minds are chasing the instant riches of social networks for dogs, they're not creating new antibiotics, energy efficient cars,…

Economic incentive is how we allocate resources. Expecting big brains to defy what the market currently wants is not only a huge personal sacrifice but it may even prevent them from succeeding. Organizations (mostly governments) that want betterment of the world should be paying the market more to efficiently deliver it.

Well, yes and no. In theory it sounds like it ought, but look at fusion research: for the last 50 years it's always been 30 years away, which by sheer coincidence is about the length of a post-doc career. And look at the old Soviet Empire or China today: their central planning ought to have made it possible to attract talent to "grand challenge" projects, but it just isn't happening.

Re: Bread and Circuses: The State of Web App Startups

#96
I haven't read all comments on this, but I get the feeling a lot of HN-ers are not too fond of the article.

Personally it struck a chord with me.

In a previous life I worked at a non-profit aimed at doing 'R&D' in a social context (yes, this is vague and that was just one of the things making me leave...). Although I've left this organisation disillusioned and a lot more cynical about non-profits and their methods / goals, I still strive to use my skills for the betterment of all. Not that I always succeed (I'm by far not a saint), but I try to give something back. In my case I do this by offering a lot of my stuff under a open source license or Creative Commons license. Still, I sometimes wonder if I could/should strive to do more in the real world with tangible / physical results. Staring at a screen all day long and hoping my virtual work will lead to some positive results in the 'real' world and be meaningful for people occasionally makes me feel like I'm fooling myself. Therefore I think that the gist of Jolie's article hits the nail right on the head and asks the difficult question (for all of us regardless of skills or area of expertise): what have you been trying to do not just for the betterment of yourself, but also for the betterment of other's? Trying to combine this in your work is something I belief is worth striving for, even if we cannot always achieve it.

Re: Bread and Circuses: The State of Web App Startups

#97
post #92

Alright, a few of the top comments point out the good of the Foursquares and Facebooks of the world. Except, that's not the point - on anything beyond the personal scale the question is not, "which of these two do we want?" but "how much of each do we want?" She asks: "How well are our resources allocated?" I think there's a strong case that we're under-invested in some of the largest problems of society - personally…

I also have to ask: Where are all the education startups? We have a massive, high-speed communication tool and I don't see much changing with respect to education. There are a few things out there (the Khan Academies of the world), but they're very few and far between.

Re: Bread and Circuses: The State of Web App Startups

#98
Stage 1: Create a massively successful app.

Stage 2: Give back

at Stage 1.5: Jolie complains that we aren't doing stage 2.

Well for most of us we aren't at stage 2. Didn't Zuckberg who has just finish stage 1 give 100 million to education? Didn't Bill Gates, another stage 1 success, get 40 billionaires to give away most of their wealth to charity?

The question arises why don't start at stage 2 first. Well, sequence matter. Think of stage 1 as taking off your clothes and stage 2 as bathing. You do stage 2 first you end up without your skin being washed and wet clothes.

So far there isn't much technology that has been successful in those areas Jolie think start-up should focus, but with the apps you criticize, they have been making loads of money. In terms of risk, it is better to choose the latter type of business and then seek to help solve the other problems with the money generating from the first, same outcome but lower risk.

As Jay-z would say:

"And the music i be makin

I dumb down for my audience

And double my dollars

They criticize me for it

Yet they all yell "Holla"

If skills sold

Truth be told

I'd probably be

Lyricly

Talib Kweli

Truthfully

I wanna rhyme like Common Sense

(But i did five Mil)

I ain't been rhymin like Common since

When your sense got that much in common

And you been hustlin since

Your inception

Fuck perception

Go with what makes sense

Since

I know what i'm up against

We as rappers must decide what's most impor-tant

And i can't help the poor if i'm one of them

So i got rich and gave back

To me that's the win, win"- Moment of Clarity

Paraphrase, if solving homeless problem made money that is what entrepreneurs would be doing, but since it is not they choose problems with lil significant and give back that is the win,win. They are still changing the world but in a different sequence that reduces risk and ensures changing the world is more likely.

Re: Bread and Circuses: The State of Web App Startups

#99
post #52
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But there are bright minds working on new antibiotics, energy efficient cars, cheaper building materials etc. Some of the best and brightest minds are also smashing atoms in particle accelerators, charting the cosmos, composing symphonies, educating new minds, and, yes, pushing the limits of computer connectedness to make many lives on this planet just that much nicer. There are different ways to contribute to the wo…

"But there are bright minds working on new antibiotics, energy efficient cars, cheaper building materials etc. Some of the best and brightest minds are also smashing atoms in particle accelerators, charting the cosmos, composing symphonies, educating new minds, and, yes, pushing the limits of computer connectedness to make many lives on this planet just that much nicer." Speaking as one of those people who took a nic…

Most of the people who are smashing atoms and charting the cosmos are economic martyrs.

Baloney. Here in the Netherlands, scientists working at universities and research institutes get a pretty decent salary. Sure, they don't get filthy rich, but fortunately there are more than enough people who don't care about that. The thing is: if getting rich is your primary objective, you're not going to save the world anyway. People working on antibiotics just because it's the best paying job, will leave as soon as another job gets them more money. You can't solve that by fixing the system, because it's not the system that's broken.

Re: Bread and Circuses: The State of Web App Startups

#100
I think the article is not attacking Facebook or Twitter. It's attacking the infinite clones of them. I'll give you a problem: There isn't a PHP Qr Code decoder in the web.

Why hadn't anyone gave a damn about it? Because it's hard, take time and you simply don't know how to start and how to monetize.

I'll give you another problem: Google don't happen to give the best search result. You'll (in many cases) get SEO spammed results. Why not re-invent a new search engine? Sure there are SE startups, but not enough for the solution to get solved.

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