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Re: Thank You, Robert Voit, Creator of Paint Shop Pro

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Post by zokier »

Patrick_Devine wrote: post #89
zokier wrote: post #31

PSP is imho the prime example of how piratism hurts software industry. The problem was not so much that PSP was pirated, but that Photoshop was pirated. Most people did not need Photoshop, and would have been happy PSP users. But if Photoshop was "free" then it is natural that people gravitated towards the "industry-standard" "professional" tool. Piratism hurts small low-cost hobbyist software most by dislocating the…

What's your take on big companies contributing and/or running open source/free software? Doesn't that also dislocate small low-cost hobbyist software?

Well I'm not a fan of "open core" products, for not all too dissimilar reasons. But I'll admit the situation with open source and commercial actors is fair bit more complicated, with no easy answers (unless you are Stallman)

Re: Thank You, Robert Voit, Creator of Paint Shop Pro

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Post by zokier »

RodericDay wrote: post #56
zokier wrote: post #31

PSP is imho the prime example of how piratism hurts software industry. The problem was not so much that PSP was pirated, but that Photoshop was pirated. Most people did not need Photoshop, and would have been happy PSP users. But if Photoshop was "free" then it is natural that people gravitated towards the "industry-standard" "professional" tool. Piratism hurts small low-cost hobbyist software most by dislocating the…

now apply this to Google and Facebook's "free" offerings

Big difference is that those generally do not delineate naturally into "expensive/professional" and "low-cost/hobbyist" markets.

Re: Thank You, Robert Voit, Creator of Paint Shop Pro

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Post by zerr »

nickjj wrote: post #55
modzu wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

for offline music collections, winamp is still the best player on windows!

I switched to foobar2000[0] sometime in the early 2000s after Winamp 3 completely changed for the worse. I still use foobar2000 today. [0]: https://www.foobar2000.org/

I use the latest winamp with Bento_Classified skin - resembles the v2.

Re: Thank You, Robert Voit, Creator of Paint Shop Pro

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Post by chx »

jpindar wrote: post #44
stupidcar wrote: post #9

While Paint Shop Pro 6 is the most beloved version, PSP 7 and (particularly) 8, took the software in a very interesting direction. I remain convinced that this directly lead to Corel acquiring it with the unstated but definite intention of crippling it. See, 6 and below were fairly traditional raster-based editors. But starting in 7, and with substantial improvements in 8, PSP introduced the concept of raster and vec…

What do you mean by "crippling it"? Corel PaintShop Pro has raster and vector layers.

> the painting tools and the commands that are used to add effects can be applied only on raster layers. If you try to use a raster tool while a vector layer is selected, Corel® PaintShop Pro prompts you to convert the vector layer into a raster layer.

In https://support.corel.com/hc/en-us/articles/215916768-Unders...

Where GP said:

> you could also create vector layers, where you could draw shapes and paths which would remain editable and would be rasterised on the fly.

Re: Thank You, Robert Voit, Creator of Paint Shop Pro

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Post by kmeade »

bbernard wrote: post #37

Everybody here is talking about PSP 5.0+. But for me, the best version ever was 3.0. I was able to draw pretty impressive diagrams at the pixel level, without any problem. In subsequent versions, they modified the zoom tool, the GUI and the brushes, so it was quite harder to do the same thing.

I stopped upgrading at version 4.14, in 1997. I think version 5 added layers and some other complexities that I just didn't care to deal with.

Eventually, I added Gimp to my "arsenal" for occasional complex work, but that 20 year old Paintshop Pro is still my daily driver for quick graphics stuff. Runs fine on Windows 10.

Amazing piece of software and Minnesota!

Re: Thank You, Robert Voit, Creator of Paint Shop Pro

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Post by com2kid »

DanielleMolloy wrote: post #21

PSP7 was a favorite piece of software that I had been using for years when still mainly on Windows systems. It was useful and intuitive when having to make changes to plenty of raster images, or when doing pixel graphics; creating alpha transparent sections, clean ups, and so on. I also used Paint.NET a lot for batch edits. It still seems a bit difficult to find a replacement for these two on macOS and Linux. Intuiti…

Photoshop has a true proffesional app learning curve.

Once you learn how to do something in it, it makes sense as to why.

GIMP on the other hand, once I learned how to do something, I still hated it.

Then again GIMP makes simple things like pasting a major confusing pain.

Re: Thank You, Robert Voit, Creator of Paint Shop Pro

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Post by mark-r »

chx wrote: post #94
jpindar wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean by "crippling it"? Corel PaintShop Pro has raster and vector layers.

> the painting tools and the commands that are used to add effects can be applied only on raster layers. If you try to use a raster tool while a vector layer is selected, Corel® PaintShop Pro prompts you to convert the vector layer into a raster layer. In https://support.corel.com/hc/en-us/articles/215916768-Unders... Where GP said: > you could also create vector layers, where you could draw shapes and paths which wo…

That has always been the case from the beginning of vector layers. If anything was crippled, this isn't it.

Re: Thank You, Robert Voit, Creator of Paint Shop Pro

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Post by mark-r »

PeterMikhailov wrote: post #88
nailer wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Man PSP 5 was fantastic. Learning photo manipulation on PSP, and comparing it to the slow, laggy, unintuitive mess that Photoshop seemed to be, I'm still not convinced that Adobe products actually work to this day. Obviously other people have better experiences with Adobe, but I also suspect they're more tolerant to slower UIs.

All of the anti counterfeiting US currency code in PS probably slows it down.

The same code is in PSP, and it only slows down specific operations.

Re: Thank You, Robert Voit, Creator of Paint Shop Pro

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Post by mark-r »

kmeade wrote: post #95
bbernard wrote: post #37

Everybody here is talking about PSP 5.0+. But for me, the best version ever was 3.0. I was able to draw pretty impressive diagrams at the pixel level, without any problem. In subsequent versions, they modified the zoom tool, the GUI and the brushes, so it was quite harder to do the same thing.

I stopped upgrading at version 4.14, in 1997. I think version 5 added layers and some other complexities that I just didn't care to deal with. Eventually, I added Gimp to my "arsenal" for occasional complex work, but that 20 year old Paintshop Pro is still my daily driver for quick graphics stuff. Runs fine on Windows 10. Amazing piece of software and Minnesota!

Version 5 was also the first one that forced you to pay after the trial period was over. Did that have anything to do with your decision?

Re: Thank You, Robert Voit, Creator of Paint Shop Pro

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Post by kmeade »

mark-r wrote: post #99
kmeade wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I stopped upgrading at version 4.14, in 1997. I think version 5 added layers and some other complexities that I just didn't care to deal with. Eventually, I added Gimp to my "arsenal" for occasional complex work, but that 20 year old Paintshop Pro is still my daily driver for quick graphics stuff. Runs fine on Windows 10. Amazing piece of software and Minnesota!

Version 5 was also the first one that forced you to pay after the trial period was over. Did that have anything to do with your decision?

No, I was using a paid for version.

I just noticed you can buy a brand-new copy of Paintshop Pro for $48 (cheap!) at https://www.paintshoppro.com/en/products/paintshop-pro/stand... I'm thinking about it.

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