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Cognitive Distortions of People Who Get Stuff Done (2012) [pdf]

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Post by sonnyblarney »

Is this 'get stuff done' or 'apparently started companies that did great things'? I know the type described in the article, they would seem to be more 'driven founders' types.

So many people that 'get stuff done' in the 'work' sense are those who have good focus, set priorities, and focus on outcomes. They often don't even stand out.

Moreover, the 'I am special' is still arrogant, in a way.

Many of these people can have softer, beta type personalities, but the actions, decisions and and outcomes are still those of an arrogant person.

I know loud, boorish and apparently 'arrogant' people who are at the end of the day pushovers in the sense that they are actually nice guys, soft on negotiation because they want a 'fair deal', loyal to people to a fault etc., they just have a brusque, apparently cynical outward demeanor.

I think this is a very interesting psychological framework with the wrong wording in the title ... or rather, a much better definition of what they mean by 'get stuff done'.

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Post by matthewwiese »

Izkata wrote: post #83
matthewwiese wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my own anecdotal experience, this appears quite reasonable; oftentimes, especially in childhood, stretches of time as short as 1 week into the future would "feel" (i.e. encompass the same emotions/sensations) as knowing how far away my relatives in Canada were from me. The perception of time seriously befuddled my brain for years -- no matter that it still does to this day! If you happen to recall the outlets you…

> especially in childhood Think of time spans as "percentage of life lived so far", and a lot of that particular time stretching suddenly makes sense.

Sure, but if science (especially neuroscience) were that simple then we'd have all the answers already. I'm more interested in quantifiable/demonstrable knowledge of this topic beyond a mere thought experiment.

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Post by sonnyblarney »

1996 wrote: post #33
mariopt wrote: post #9

I found the slide for "Cognitive behaviour model of depression" very interesting, it's probably the best visualisation of depression taking over someones mind leading to a paralysis where simple tasks become something else and chaos emerges. Ego does, sometimes, gets in the way of getting things done but without it we wouldn't care to launch anything new/groundbreaking. Without our Ego as creator, we would have no so…

We need all that. Still, it can be frightening. I have "launch fear": I delay by another week every week, because I found one or more bugs the day before, which to me is unacceptable. Also it would crush my ego if people said I hadn't noticed or bothered to fix it, because it would mean I don't care about my users. When I am launching, I want users to have the best experience possible. MVP is minimal, not bug ridden.…

Wow - this.

I didn't quite realize that this was a thing.

I share the same tendency and it may have as much to do with something else: the 'epoch' moment which implies change, i.e. a 'decision' or outcome which could be bad.

'Development' is a grind, but at least you're alive. After launch it may go well, but you could get wiped out - I think people may fear this.

Also, launch brings so much chaos, unclarity ... in 'development' you're in charge of what's going on. After launch, your users and investors definitely own your time.

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Post by cam_l »

scythe wrote: post #17
ggm wrote: post #7

Yes, I think there are at least five. So this is a list of at least five, but not the five I think. Several of them feel like variations of the same theme: I know I'm right, so I can disregard evidence|opinion|counter-argument because .. an axiom of the system is I know I'm right. If I had a sixth, it would be the tendency to latch onto a mantra. "think different" doesn't really mean very much, but boy, successful pe…

>seventh might be they believe implicitly they are the smartest person in the room As a person with contrarian tendencies who has occasionally been accused of "implicitly believing" I'm the smartest guy in the room, I think it's important to recognize there's a difference between trusting your own reasoning and thinking you're smarter than everybody else. You can mostly avoid the latter by learning strategies that he…

What if you believe you are the smartest person in the room because you are the only one that questions their own ideas?

What then?!

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Post by 1996 »

sonnyblarney wrote: post #93
1996 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We need all that. Still, it can be frightening. I have "launch fear": I delay by another week every week, because I found one or more bugs the day before, which to me is unacceptable. Also it would crush my ego if people said I hadn't noticed or bothered to fix it, because it would mean I don't care about my users. When I am launching, I want users to have the best experience possible. MVP is minimal, not bug ridden.…

Wow - this. I didn't quite realize that this was a thing. I share the same tendency and it may have as much to do with something else: the 'epoch' moment which implies change, i.e. a 'decision' or outcome which could be bad. 'Development' is a grind, but at least you're alive. After launch it may go well, but you could get wiped out - I think people may fear this. Also, launch brings so much chaos, unclarity ... in '…

I think we all share the same concern. I am told to lauch by everybody (even here) but I can't until I have at least fixed the MVP to fit my minimal standards.

It is hard to explain but you've nailed it. In development, you are alive and can fix things. I do not want things to go wrong for my users.

By myself, I have a lot of leeway. There are many things I can tolerate, and I often strive for "good enough"

But I can't do that with future users involved, even if they don't exist yet. Because they will trust me to deliver a good product, and I want to be worthy of their trust.

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Post by winrid »

rossdavidh wrote: post #29

Hypothesis: the "people who get stuff done" are a subset of a larger group with the same personality and talents, but without as much luck. Those other people are known by unprintable names, because they have no great successes to make people ignore the fact that they're jerks.

No luck. They are more disciplined and make themselves more valuable.

If these unlucky people you describe win the power ball they'll just lose it because they failed to become millionaires (discipline/money management) before they got the millions.

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Post by ggm »

andai wrote: post #35
ggm wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess "think different" to them means "take risks" or "run counter to the stream on things" or "see threats as opportunities" or something. IBM had just "think" and I really liked that. The trouble is, it leads to endless ratiocination.

Does that make Nike IBM's polar opposite, slogan-wise?

There is probably a game buried here, to find two company slogans which contradict each other.

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Post by ggm »

cam_l wrote: post #94
scythe wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>seventh might be they believe implicitly they are the smartest person in the room As a person with contrarian tendencies who has occasionally been accused of "implicitly believing" I'm the smartest guy in the room, I think it's important to recognize there's a difference between trusting your own reasoning and thinking you're smarter than everybody else. You can mostly avoid the latter by learning strategies that he…

What if you believe you are the smartest person in the room because you are the only one that questions their own ideas? What then?!

Why are you even in the room dumb-ass!!

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Post by dahart »

dahart wrote: post #78
kebman wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Examples of luck: - Being born into a good family. - Winning the lottery. Luck: Something you cannot affect yourself. If luck is your only game, prepare to be disappointed. Also: 70 percent of lottery winners, end up broke just a few years later. Question: Is having good luck actually bad luck? Or does it trigger bad behaviours that rich people don't have? ... I think this well and truly debunks any notion that luck'…

> Also: 70 percent of lottery winners, end up broke just a few years later. This often quoted line is a complete media distortion of what really happens. It is wrong. I highly recommend being skeptical of the misinformation spread by news and looking into the primary sources yourself. Here’s the Florida study that this line is referring to: https://eml.berkeley.edu/~cle/laborlunch/hoekstra.pdf Here’s the actual resul…

BTW, you don’t have to take my word for it:

“DENVER — Over the past couple of years several news organizations have attributed a statistic to the National Endowment for Financial Education (NEFE) stating that 70 percent of lottery winners end up bankrupt in just a few years after receiving a large financial windfall. This statistic is not backed by research from NEFE, nor can it be confirmed by the organization. Frequent reporting—without validation from NEFE—has allowed this “stat” to survive online in perpetuity.“

https://www.nefe.org/Press-Room/News/Research-Statistic-on-F...

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Post by noetic_techy »

HillaryBriss wrote: post #85

The Big Five * Personal exceptionalism * Dichotomous thinking * Correct overgeneralization * Blank canvas thinking * Schumpeterianism (creative destruction) i don't endorse the guy and didn't vote for him, but, um, this reminds me of Trump. i mean, how can we assess any person who actually succeeded at a goal that thousands of others wanted but failed to achieve? i don't know. how did this guy avoid losing? it's just…

He didn't really. Hillary was just such a unpalatable candidate that she lost the election. Look at the turnout data and you will see. Trump didn't do anything special.
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