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Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

#91

I switched cold turkey to Firefox a few months ago. It was fine for a bit but eventually became unbearably slow. I made the switch on both my work MacBook Pro (retina) and my personal MacBook Air. Both had similar issues. That and the fact that it ships with things like Pocket made me jump back to Chrome.

> That and the fact that it ships with things like Pocket made me jump back to Chrome. Mozilla owns Pocket (Read It Later). It's sort of like me complaining Safari comes with iCloud support by default.

If iCloud was a separate company that had been purchased by Apple when a dubious partnership needed making good after the fact, sure.

So sort of not.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

#92

Firefox permanently broke Pentadactyl. I'm really not going to be excited about Firefox until it has something of that caliber again.

With all due respect, less than 0.1% of browser users likely feel that way. Don't mean to discredit or invalidate your feelings, I just feel the need to disclaim that it's impossible to meet people's need with that granularity. The alternative is that they keep XUL, make 0.1% of the install base happy, and ditch the performance increases that Quantum/WebExtension have given us... at which point there wouldn't be a NY…

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Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

#93

Ironically, the thing that drove me to Firefox was the excellent Account Containers system that I found necessary to manage being logged into multiple Google Apps accounts simultaneously (I have five ). Each tab owns one account — that way, Google Drive files from my work don't randomly refuse to open because I'm also logged into my personal account. (Chrome has no solution for containing accounts across tabs, last I…

Google's account management is infuriating!

First, it almost never remembers what account you used with what service. If I do some Google Cloud stuff under my work account, I don't want Google Maps using my work account, or vice versa. The list of accounts in the upper right corner, and what's signed in/out, seems completely random and broken.

The second problem is that Google's various apps are wildly inconsistent in how they deal with multiple accounts. Some (like Maps) have apparently been "modernized". Others (like BigQuery; I've had issues with Google Drive, too) don't understand multiple accounts at all. It doesn't matter that you sign into a work account. Open that app and it will use some other account.

A sign they've not mastered this at all is that it doesn't work at the URL level. You can bookmark a Google Docs document, for example, and then switch your accounts. Going to the bookmark (or just going back) to the Docs page gives you a "permission denied" error because you're using the wrong account. Same thing with sharing URLs — if someone at work sends me a Google Docs URL, it's bound to not work because it'll try to use what I try to keep as my default account, which is my personal one. Sometimes I just munge the "authuser=1" part in the URL.

It's amazing that a Google app can't simply resolve the union of identities you're signed in as. I have two accounts, work and personal, and one of them has access, after all.

I might consider FF just to work around this.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

#94
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Is this a Google accounts feature or a browser feature? I switched to FF for Container Tabs, and use it for much more than Google accounts.

Two disconnected accounts. ADDED: In general a lot of services don't handle multiple accounts terribly well. I've had issues with Wordpress as well. I actually have two different soft-key authenticator programs related to making personal and work accounts play nice.

Sounds like you're using the Google Accounts feature, and using the [separate] browser profiles feature would exactly solve your problem.

In particular: you can log into different profiles in the browser (each window can be associated with up to one profile, and they can be different), by clicking the little "Sign In" tab in the upper right corner. See also https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/2364824?hl=en&co=GE....

You can then open tabs under the different profiles with right-click, "Open link as", and selecting the appropriate profile.

(Personally, once I tried profiles, I never touched multiple-accounts-logged-in again.)

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

#95
post #58

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They mean, as an alternative to Chrome, which is undoubtedly less open then Firefox. So, genuine question, what do you use, then? GNU IceCat?

> they mean, as an alternative to Chrome, which is undoubtedly less open then Firefox Chromium is just as open as Firefox.

I would bet quite a lot that most of their readers are using Chrome and not Chromium.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

#96

I switched cold turkey to Firefox a few months ago. It was fine for a bit but eventually became unbearably slow. I made the switch on both my work MacBook Pro (retina) and my personal MacBook Air. Both had similar issues. That and the fact that it ships with things like Pocket made me jump back to Chrome.

So you don't mind your battery dying super quick?

I can't stand Chrome on OSX, I only use Safari when on battery and FF when plugged in. Chrome just brings my Mac Boook to a grinding halt.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

#97
Mozilla as an organization makes me a bit uncomfortable. I still haven't forgotten the entire Brendan Eich fiasco. Who is to say that extremely politically motivated folks at Mozilla may consider it their duty to expose user(s) in a similar way? How can they purport to be a champion of user privacy after what they did to Brendan Eich?

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

#98
post #84

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OP would probably recommend you to write your own browser.

That would be great. However, the webs standards are bloated as hell. I know you were probably being factitious. However, I think it's a big problem that web standards have gotten so complicated. The browser would also have to backward compatible, and handle mal-formatted and bloated code written by god who knows. There are features that are the antithesis of privacy and disabling some of the features breaks quite a…

You can take something like CEF and build the browser UI around it and avoid this nefariousness.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

#99

Firefox permanently broke Pentadactyl. I'm really not going to be excited about Firefox until it has something of that caliber again.

Tridactyl is quickly approaching parity with pentadactyl

Especially after installing the native message.

Want a bind to open something in mpv/youtube-dl `";v": "hint -W exclaim_quiet mpv"`

Want to open a text field in gvim? Hit `ctl+i`

Want to remove the extra chrome: run `:guiset gui none`

I stuck on the ESR of firefox for a long time because I wasn't willing to give up vimperator. Its not the same, but its pretty close. There are 2 main pain points, which I don't know it will be possible to address. First the page has to before its functional. Second currently domain keybinds take priority (looking at you github).

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

#100

Ironically, the thing that drove me to Firefox was the excellent Account Containers system that I found necessary to manage being logged into multiple Google Apps accounts simultaneously (I have five ). Each tab owns one account — that way, Google Drive files from my work don't randomly refuse to open because I'm also logged into my personal account. (Chrome has no solution for containing accounts across tabs, last I…

Google's account management is infuriating! First, it almost never remembers what account you used with what service. If I do some Google Cloud stuff under my work account, I don't want Google Maps using my work account, or vice versa. The list of accounts in the upper right corner, and what's signed in/out, seems completely random and broken. The second problem is that Google's various apps are wildly inconsistent i…

Yep, tried to demo Google's new app builder and I couldn't get authenticated with the correct Google account after 10min and gave up.

Google drive is the biggest annoyance though with multiple accounts.

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