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People’s egos get bigger after meditation and yoga, says a new study

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Re: People’s egos get bigger after meditation and yoga, says a new study

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People need to understand that the stuff like meditation that's popular right now and gets taught is just a very small subset of Buddhist practice. Real Buddhist teachings go much further. Same for yoga. Yoga is meant to be a way of life but what most Westerners see is just a form of aerobics with a few spiritual words sprinkled in.

Ironically, the biggest evidence of this here might be the idea that the ego should be kept as small as possible. Whether or not it's a real thing, it still needs maintenance (arguably a huge benefit of meditation), and there's probably a healthy size (though I hate this spatial metaphor; people are far more complex than that).

I would say that you’re onto something. I personally spent years finding myself, doing all sorts of things from dance, to drawing, and of course yoga and meditation. What struck me — regardless of whether I was amongst engineers or artists — is how many of us never advanced our sense of self, even though we became better and better at what we did.

You know what happened after all of that? Well we generally became more and more condescending towards people less accomplished than us, and all that impostor syndrome became directed outward.

Maybe I’m a little annoyed at the simplistic view towards “ego.” Ego is not just good or bad. Even in Western thought, the Jungians had a deeper treatment of the self than most would ever read, and there’s an idea that the best parts of ourselves are also related to the worst parts of ourselves. This is where someone with Buddhist inclinations might say it’s important to be able to see past/through the ego. Losing the self is important. Among other things, it helps you get in touch with your own mortality. Just as important is accepting one’s inevitable death, and for that, one must find some peace with the sense of self. So I wouldn’t read too much into it if some scientist, trying to stick verifiable labels onto things, mistook finding the self for “self-enhancement.” Then a journalist continued with their interpretation of the paper, and now we have a game of telephone. Last but not least, it is possible to do yoga and meditation badly.

Re: People’s egos get bigger after meditation and yoga, says a new study

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Seems like meditation (maybe yoga as well) gives you access to control the Ego. Westerners just want to dial the knob in the opposite direction.

I honestly am more inclined to think that in the world we live in (and the rules we operate according to), having a way to boost your Ego isn't necessarily bad. There is no way you can achieve anything significant (involving many other people), without at least some use for your Ego. Of course you can "crash the ship" if you don't know when to use it.

Re: People’s egos get bigger after meditation and yoga, says a new study

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This completely misses the point. Perhaps recruiting people from Facebook is not the best way to find humble people. A lot of people I know use meditation or even spiritual advancement as a way to treat their inferiority complex. After they fail to realize success in other areas of life they hang on to their egos and find a false sense of superiority in the fact that they are spiritual ones. Some of these people are…

There are some on the spiritual path that seek knowledge and awareness. Pure awareness. They are human yet their karma doesn't involve getting entangled with their fellow men. Hermits. Loving, hating, its all the same to them because their focus is elsewhere. Most would say they are selfish and lack empathy but they are just different kind of seeker.

Re: People’s egos get bigger after meditation and yoga, says a new study

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I'm not really interested in buddhism, but have practiced meditation. I have to say meditation itself brings a great calmness, especially for my anxiety, and I was quite skeptical when it was recommended. I think meditation should be examined outside of the scope of eastern mysticism, it need not be associated with it.

> I think meditation should be examined outside of the scope of eastern mysticism, it need not be associated with it. While there is always an airy of "hoaky mysticism" to most religions, one possible self-consistent explanation is that that this "hoaky mysticism" of eastern religions might in fact be the logical consequence of thousands of hours, days, weeks, months, years, of meditation. Maybe western self improvem…

>Maybe western self improvement is just in fact a precursor to a precursor to the final enlightenment that hey, none of this self-improvement shit matters?

These are hardly new concepts in the West. It's even in Ecclesiastes.

Re: People’s egos get bigger after meditation and yoga, says a new study

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You can see the egos as big as the sun in certain areas. Go down to Miami Beach and yoga is a competitive sport. It’s so fake and so phony and you’ve got people spending $200/hr for yoga/meditation sessions and it’s completely bonkers.

What exactly is specifically crazy about it, as opposed to all the other stuff we do in the modern world?

Re: People’s egos get bigger after meditation and yoga, says a new study

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This immediately reminded me of Chögyam Trungpa's book "Cutting Through Spiritual Materialism". Wikipedia: "He uses the term [Spiritual Materialism] to describe mistakes spiritual seekers commit which turn the pursuit of spirituality into an ego building and confusion creating endeavor, based on the idea that ego development is counter to spiritual progress." [1] Very interesting read, a good friend of mine gave it t…

Was going to mention this book as well. This should be hammered on from the beginning of any practice.

While anecdotal, my experience with interacting with most western followers of "eastern" practices is that they just use them to feed their egos.

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Ironically, the biggest evidence of this here might be the idea that the ego should be kept as small as possible. Whether or not it's a real thing, it still needs maintenance (arguably a huge benefit of meditation), and there's probably a healthy size (though I hate this spatial metaphor; people are far more complex than that).

The ego is a tool. Ego death is temporary and should not be aimed for 24/7. In a 3D, physical world, the ego is what you use to differentiate your actions from others, to take responsibility, and to make changes. We can recognize and feel deeply that we are all connected, but an ego-less person in a physical world is like a formless void, and has forgotten it's point in being alive.

Yes, it's necessary to live in the world.

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"To advance this perspective, millions of people around the world practice yoga and meditation." I don't think this is true though. I don't think most people who aren't Buddhist do Yoga for renouncing the material world, but just for getting in shape and perhaps relaxing. I think the premise here is wrong.

Yoga is a Hindu concept. Buddhists don't do yoga. Meditation, absolutely; yoga, not quite.

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Why is this surprising? Any spiritual practice is a way to better ones "self". My yogi friend put it well: the difference is with yoga and meditation the goal is to get rid of things, while in "the west" we generally associate happiness with having more things.

It's surprising because 'selflessness' and thinking highly of oneself are a somewhat inconsistent. I wish I had the source for this but I read somewhere the first obstacle to the path of enlightenment is the self righteousness of the aspirant ... i.e. as soon as someone starts learning higher truths, their sense of ego expands, which is kind of the opposite of the point.

A sort of Dunning–Kruger effect for the soul? :)

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I think OP meant `What's this Tao all About?` found here: http://whatsthistao.com/ The episode regarding meditation is Episode 4 ( http://whatsthistao.com/2015/09/21/epiosode-4-meditation/ ) but I would be weary of the source as Dr. Carl Totton is a "Reiki master" and Chinese spiritual healer. I personally believe meditation is fantastic in calming the mind and relaxing you.

That podcast only has positive things to say about meditation. I found his dissertation mentioned a few places, but couldn't find the actual document...

I miswrote my original comment, I didn't mean to suggest anyone thought that meditation was bad. Just that someone who is probably more justified to write on the subject, had once wrote that it was bad and he still talks about it.
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